What do white nationalists mean by "Defend our culture"?

[The Grand World Order]

When people ask "what culture", they're more or less expecting a fella like you to actually explain what the culture is. Would you be so kind as to do so?

Kinda odd to expect a mixed race non-WN (or racialist at all, really) to define that for you. Much like Black Americans, I feel that most WNs (or White Americans in general) don't really know their heritage outside of the US, so adopt this concept of a general "White American" culture. My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies. The time for them to defend this concept of "White American culture" was over half a century ago, and they lost. As for Europeans, I don't think it's too difficult to define German culture vs. Italian culture vs. Czech culture.

My own interest is for the preservation of Basque culture, because, of my heritage, it's the most at-risk of disappearing- a difficult task, as the language is incredibly difficult to learn and there's less than five million of us worldwide. I don't even -know- any Basques outside of my own family, and the ones back in the home country were murdered by Communists.

[Evil Wolf]

Much like Black Americans, I feel that most WNs (or White Americans in general) don't really know their heritage outside of the US, so adopt this concept of a general "White American" culture.

In a sense, I feel you're correct. A lot of "White Nationalists" in America, specifically, would likely define their race, when asked, as "American". This has less to do with Nationalism, as one might expect, and more to do with those answering truly not knowing their heritage, or discarding it entirely for a new "White American" identity.

As far as what American White Nationalists of today believe? Totally all over the board and they're not as unified as one might imagine. I myself identify as an Irish-American (a title I recognize the Irish themselves would lambast and call me a "plastic paddy", even though my entire family immigrated from Ireland to America post-1880 and my paternal grandfather had Irish citizenship), which means I get to have a unique view on what racists in America do and do not consider "White" with the passing of time. Not even a generation back, "White Nationalism" was very closely associated with Anglo-Protestantism and Irish-Americans were not welcome in this racist ideology. Later on the White Nationalists suddenly realized they were being outnumbered by the "Non-White Whites" and they randomly pushed inclusivity to anyone who was remotely white (you know, so long as you're not Jewish, gotta have "standards"). Now we got Neo-Nazis during Saint Patrick's day declaring that Boston needs to stay Irish, completely oblivious to the fact that, one generation ago, their non-Irish racist breadthen thought that JFK was going to be a Papal slave that would bring ruination upon America because JFK was part of those fiendish non-White Irish Catholic untermensch.

These "White Nationalists" are less defined by actual race and color and more "in groups" and "out groups". Yesterday the Irish, Italians, Russians, and Polish were part of the "out groups", today they are part of the "in groups", and tomorrow, who knows? It's all mindless bullshit motivated by fear and hate, in my opinion. Racists eat their own, is all I know for sure.

To reply to the question the thread title asks, White Nationalists, especially in America, have no culture. It's just made up racism that draws from other actual cultures that the White Nationalist deems "White Enough" to be included into their In-Group of the Day.

My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies.

Yeah, most Americans would agree with that, because most Americans have not traveled outside the US. Had they actually done so, they'd realize that Americanism is not the default culture everywhere else, and is actually unique. Not having experienced this, they just believe everywhere is basically America, because the TV tells them so, so they mindlessly tell everyone they know how America "has no culture". I'm being simplistic, of course, but I don't feel like I'm that much off the mark.

[The Snazzylands]

5: A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM). Compound this with the fact that mainstream ideology is cognizant of the negative effects of another culture moving in en masse, which they decry as gentrification and a tool of white supremacy.

I see what you mean with this last point. It's basically impossible to talk about this topic, in part because people don't care about white perspectives on race issues, or they just dismiss the idea of preserving culture as something inherently racist.

But you have to admit, part of the reason this knee-jerk reaction exists is because of the people who put themselves in charge of defending white interests. Frankly, the majority of them come off as deranged. From what I've seen, WN are almost always conspiracy theorists who are openly antagonistic towards different races and other minority groups in general. It's hard not to be associated with dipshits when a large percentage of people on your side of the aisle have positive opinions of Hitler. That's why discussions around "white culture" are not taken very seriously. I'm not saying it's a good reaction, but it's understandable.

[Fahran]

My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies.

I actually don't think this is a fair assessment. America absolutely has culture beyond rampant commodification. Every community has a culture and has subcultures. It's strange to me that Americans and Europeans routinely disregard the existence of American culture when we can actually examine its impact on foreign cultures, especially when it comes to pop culture, music, architecture, and cinema. Heck, even dialects and dress. As an example, a decent portion of the global population can probably tell you what a Texan is supposed to look and sound like.

[Adamede]

When people ask "what culture", they're more or less expecting a fella like you to actually explain what the culture is. Would you be so kind as to do so?

Kinda odd to expect a mixed race non-WN (or racialist at all, really) to define that for you. Much like Black Americans, I feel that most WNs (or White Americans in general) don't really know their heritage outside of the US, so adopt this concept of a general "White American" culture. My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies. The time for them to defend this concept of "White American culture" was over half a century ago, and they lost. As for Europeans, I don't think it's too difficult to define German culture vs. Italian culture vs. Czech culture.

My own interest is for the preservation of Basque culture, because, of my heritage, it's the most at-risk of disappearing- a difficult task, as the language is incredibly difficult to learn and there's less than five million of us worldwide. I don't even -know- any Basques outside of my own family, and the ones back in the home country were murdered by Communists.

That's not even close to how culture works.

[Kubra]

When people ask "what culture", they're more or less expecting a fella like you to actually explain what the culture is. Would you be so kind as to do so?

Kinda odd to expect a mixed race non-WN (or racialist at all, really) to define that for you. Much like Black Americans, I feel that most WNs (or White Americans in general) don't really know their heritage outside of the US, so adopt this concept of a general "White American" culture. My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies. The time for them to defend this concept of "White American culture" was over half a century ago, and they lost. As for Europeans, I don't think it's too difficult to define German culture vs. Italian culture vs. Czech culture.

My own interest is for the preservation of Basque culture, because, of my heritage, it's the most at-risk of disappearing- a difficult task, as the language is incredibly difficult to learn and there's less than five million of us worldwide. I don't even -know- any Basques outside of my own family, and the ones back in the home country were murdered by Communists.

Then that makes point 5 a bit of a difficult point for you to make, dunnit?

[The Snazzylands]

My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies.

Yeah, most Americans would agree with that, because most Americans have not traveled outside the US. Had they actually done so, they'd realize that Americanism is not the default culture everywhere else, and is actually unique. Not having experienced this, they just believe everywhere is basically America, because the TV tells them so, so they mindlessly tell everyone they know how America "has no culture". I'm being simplistic, of course, but I don't feel like I'm that much off the mark.

Let's be fair here. For Americans, traveling outside the US and experiencing a different culture is something you have to go out of your way to do. If you're European, you can barely walk outside your hobbit's den without accidentally bumping into 7 other countries with completely different languages and cultures, all of which you've periodically been at war with for the last 1200 years.

[Big Jim P]

My take on it is that culture, in general, is hardly existent in the United States beyond whatever's convenient to get people to buy more shit from massive companies.

I actually don't think this is a fair assessment. America absolutely has culture beyond rampant commodification. Every community has a culture and has subcultures. It's strange to me that Americans and Europeans routinely disregard the existence of American culture when we can actually examine its impact on foreign cultures, especially when it comes to pop culture, music, architecture, and cinema. Heck, even dialects and dress. As an example, a decent portion of the global population can probably tell you what a Texan is supposed to look and sound like.

Then there are Texans like me who might sound "right" but not look the part.

[Europa Undivided]

I actually don't think this is a fair assessment. America absolutely has culture beyond rampant commodification. Every community has a culture and has subcultures. It's strange to me that Americans and Europeans routinely disregard the existence of American culture when we can actually examine its impact on foreign cultures, especially when it comes to pop culture, music, architecture, and cinema. Heck, even dialects and dress. As an example, a decent portion of the global population can probably tell you what a Texan is supposed to look and sound like.

Then there are Texans like me who might sound "right" but not look the part.

What do you mean you don't wear a cowboy hat?

[Big Jim P]

Then there are Texans like me who might sound "right" but not look the part.

What do you mean you don't wear a cowboy hat?

Don't wear any hat. Don't wear boots either.

[Hamidiye]

What do you mean you don't wear a cowboy hat?

Don't wear any hat. Don't wear boots either.

That's a big mistake... a good pair of army boots will last years, is waqtertight and supremely comfortable...not to mention significantly cheaper than other kinds.

As for the culture, here in germany we have a saying: "Nazis eat Döner in secret."

Oh, almost forgot: the whole "white nationalism" bullshit was invented by an american. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell

[Fahran]

I actually don't think this is a fair assessment. America absolutely has culture beyond rampant commodification. Every community has a culture and has subcultures. It's strange to me that Americans and Europeans routinely disregard the existence of American culture when we can actually examine its impact on foreign cultures, especially when it comes to pop culture, music, architecture, and cinema. Heck, even dialects and dress. As an example, a decent portion of the global population can probably tell you what a Texan is supposed to look and sound like.

Then there are Texans like me who might sound "right" but not look the part.

Bless your heart! Buying you boots for Hanukkah!