What do white nationalists mean by "Defend our culture"?

[Adamede]

There's a few different aspects to it, some related to each other, some not. People talking about defending their culture might agree to one, some, all, or none of these.

1: A while ago, companies in the United States realized it's easier to create one or a few astroturfed cultures to sell things to than it is to try and appeal to the many, many subcultures in the United States. This would be even more effective on an international scale.

2: Ray Sizzum, which is the answer you're obviously looking for.

3: The realization that there really isn't anywhere to go to preserve the cultures of many western nations that are increasingly allowing mass immigration. A German being culturally replaced in his homeland has nowhere to go (assuming Austria is also seeing mass immigration), but the culture of the Syrians/Libyans/etc mass immigrating to Germany will never be endangered, because their countries are never going to be pressured into accepting mass immigration.

4: A blend of 1 and 3: as there are more and more immigrant cultures in the mix, the incentive for the creation of a consumerist culture in place of trying to appeal to the many different cultures in a country becomes greater.

5: A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM). Compound this with the fact that mainstream ideology is cognizant of the negative effects of another culture moving in en masse, which they decry as gentrification and a tool of white supremacy.

lol

[Fahran]

The only example of "Australian Culture" being legitimately unique and not a mutation of Britain's convicts being forcefully relocated here is your first one, that being of the Aboriginals, everything else is just as previously stated: a mutation of lower classed individuals being literally on the other side of the planet being among themselves.

Okay... So in a bid to dismiss white nationalist arguments, you've gone to the opposite extreme. While Australian culture represents an evolution of British and Irish culture, it has evolved from these and is now distinct and unique from them in much the same way that American culture is distinct and unique from British and Irish culture. I shouldn't need to explain why statements like this, even when well-intentioned, are offensive and incorrect. Cuisine, dialects, attitudes, institutions, traditions, etc. look very different in many cases.

And 'pot-kettle' there with that last line of yours "No race, or nation, should dilute another's. Everyone should keep to their culture and no one should interfere with it. If it dies out from their own stupidity, so be it. But I do not think culture should be actively diluted by immigrants or other races", yeah, ask the Aboriginals who destroyed their way of life, culture, heritage and religion, because it's not the family from the Philippines that migrated here last decade

No real complaints about this one.

[Big Bad Blue]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

[Saiwania]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

No, he was just a foolhardy and stupid kid. His manifesto doesn't even rank high within the fringe of pro-white circles. He is no Anders Breivik.

[Ifreann]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

No, he was just a foolhardy and stupid kid. His manifesto doesn't even rank high within the fringe of pro-white circles. He is no Anders Breivik.

That racists want to distance themselves from this particular racist terrorist doesn't really change anything.

[Heloin]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

No, he was just a foolhardy and stupid kid. His manifesto doesn't even rank high within the fringe of pro-white circles. He is no Anders Breivik.

Poorly thought out ideas used by pathetic nobodies used to justify the absolute worst ideas possible? He is exactly every single what nationalist out there.

[Vassenor]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

No, he was just a foolhardy and stupid kid. His manifesto doesn't even rank high within the fringe of pro-white circles. He is no Anders Breivik.

Sure sounds like he was taking up arms to "defend white culture".

[Hukhalia]

There's a few different aspects to it, some related to each other, some not. People talking about defending their culture might agree to one, some, all, or none of these.

1: A while ago, companies in the United States realized it's easier to create one or a few astroturfed cultures to sell things to than it is to try and appeal to the many, many subcultures in the United States. This would be even more effective on an international scale.

2: Ray Sizzum, which is the answer you're obviously looking for.

3: The realization that there really isn't anywhere to go to preserve the cultures of many western nations that are increasingly allowing mass immigration. A German being culturally replaced in his homeland has nowhere to go (assuming Austria is also seeing mass immigration), but the culture of the Syrians/Libyans/etc mass immigrating to Germany will never be endangered, because their countries are never going to be pressured into accepting mass immigration.

4: A blend of 1 and 3: as there are more and more immigrant cultures in the mix, the incentive for the creation of a consumerist culture in place of trying to appeal to the many different cultures in a country becomes greater.

5: A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM). Compound this with the fact that mainstream ideology is cognizant of the negative effects of another culture moving in en masse, which they decry as gentrification and a tool of white supremacy.

It sure is great that we like to fight over these differences - which are, on a historical scale, entirely transient when you think about it - while both the immigrant and the native are thoroughly shafted by a system which continues to foster these divisions for its own benefit, lol

[Erythrean Thebes]

A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM)

Do you believe there is such a thing as "white interests?"

[Frisemark]

"Defend our culture" is literally just racist dogwhistling for "I hate people who don't speak my language or have my skin color."

That's it. Literally. It just sounds better for PR than the actual rhetoric, and can dupe stupid conservatives into going along with it.

[The Snazzylands]

This theory is ahistorical. The primary, near exclusive persecutors of European paganism was Christianity.

And Christianity came from Middle East and was a part of Judaism, Christianity is foreign to Europe generally speaking. I understand theory might be an overstretch, but hey, psychologically, this can be looked into. I guess psychologically, there must have been trauma of the foreign religion which passed down genetically to the descendants whose ancestors were forced under the threat of death to become a Christian. Hence, anti semitism, fear of foreign religion spread across Europe, which is passed on to a few even today.

What does this have to do with race though? The Christians who destroyed indigenous European culture and spirituality were Europeans themselves. There could not have been a conflict between Christianity and Europeans, because the concept of a single, unified European people did not exist. It wasn't Judeo-Christians forcing their religion on Europeans, it was Franks forcing their way of life on Saxons, then Germanics forcing their way of life on the Baltic peoples, etc. Modern White Nationalists would consider these struggles to be within the same race, not between races.

[Fahran]

We saw the ultimate meaning of "defending white culture" in Buffalo last weekend.

No, he was just a foolhardy and stupid kid. His manifesto doesn't even rank high within the fringe of pro-white circles. He is no Anders Breivik.

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A terrorist who murdered a bunch of people is the gold standard of what makes a white nationalist?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Man, Sai is really going mak off recently.

[Fahran]

A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM)

Do you believe there is such a thing as "white interests?"

Honestly? Yes. There are, practically speaking, racial interests in a number of political communities - including white interests. Should there be? It's not exactly ideal, no.

[The Snazzylands]

This thread is just flamebait but I'll give you 1 piece of thought to ponder on:
Most ''WN's'' are in the manual labour working class. ''Defending culture'' from foreigners who ''came and stole their jobs'' is how your political enemies took the working class demographic from you.
Your better approach to this would be to reverse tf back onto the class warfare argument to get both ''WN'' and foreigners as voters.
Or you could just continue to have this weird whig-yet-not-libertarian agenda and die out.

I agree that refocusing on class issues is our best option. But there's more to being a WN than disliking immigration or voting Republican. Actual self-proclaimed White Nationalists/Identitarians/National Socialists/whatevers are predominantly young, middle class people who spend too much time on the internet. They don't really care about the lives of working people. Economic issues only matter insofar as they can be used to divide people along racial lines and demonize groups of people they don't like.
Basically every WN's position on economics boils down to co-opting criticism of capitalism as a system, and redirecting it towards immigrants, blacks, jews, etc.

[Saiwania]

A terrorist who murdered a bunch of people is the gold standard of what makes a white nationalist?

Not condoning what he did, Anders Breivik's manifesto was more fleshed out than the other cases. It is clear why he targeted the youth camp he did, they were his political enemies that were helping to ruin Norway from his perspective. Plus the plan he executed was complex enough to include a diversion which worked. Had he planned it out even more, I dare say he could've incorporated an escape plan.

Love or hate Anders Breivik, he is at a higher level on the criminal mastermind scale.

[Thai Sweet Billy]

What 'culture'?

[San Lumen]

A terrorist who murdered a bunch of people is the gold standard of what makes a white nationalist?

Not condoning what he did, Anders Breivik's manifesto was more fleshed out than the other cases. It is clear why he targeted the youth camp he did, they were his political enemies that were helping to ruin Norway from his perspective. Plus the plan he executed was complex enough to include a diversion which worked. Had he planned it out even more, I dare say he could've incorporated an escape plan.

Love or hate Anders Breivik, he is at a higher level on the criminal mastermind scale.

Only you could defend someone pure evil like him. White supremacy has no place anywhere. You are not special for being white. There is no white culture. If your in the Americas and not a member of the indigenous peoples you are a descendant of immigrants and have zero claim to calling a country yours

[Kubra]

There's a few different aspects to it, some related to each other, some not. People talking about defending their culture might agree to one, some, all, or none of these.

1: A while ago, companies in the United States realized it's easier to create one or a few astroturfed cultures to sell things to than it is to try and appeal to the many, many subcultures in the United States. This would be even more effective on an international scale.

2: Ray Sizzum, which is the answer you're obviously looking for.

3: The realization that there really isn't anywhere to go to preserve the cultures of many western nations that are increasingly allowing mass immigration. A German being culturally replaced in his homeland has nowhere to go (assuming Austria is also seeing mass immigration), but the culture of the Syrians/Libyans/etc mass immigrating to Germany will never be endangered, because their countries are never going to be pressured into accepting mass immigration.

4: A blend of 1 and 3: as there are more and more immigrant cultures in the mix, the incentive for the creation of a consumerist culture in place of trying to appeal to the many different cultures in a country becomes greater.

5: A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?" or the notion that anyone seeking to advocate on behalf of not just white culture, but any white interests, is inherently Racist and Bad(TM). Compound this with the fact that mainstream ideology is cognizant of the negative effects of another culture moving in en masse, which they decry as gentrification and a tool of white supremacy.

When people ask "what culture", they're more or less expecting a fella like you to actually explain what the culture is. Would you be so kind as to do so?

[Deblar]

"Defend our culture" is literally just racist dogwhistling for "I hate people who don't speak my language or have my skin color."

That's it. Literally. It just sounds better for PR than the actual rhetoric, and can dupe stupid conservatives into going along with it.

^^This

[Erythrean Thebes]

Do you believe there is such a thing as "white interests?"

Honestly? Yes. There are, practically speaking, racial interests in a number of political communities - including white interests. Should there be? It's not exactly ideal, no.

I'm not so sure. There are racial politics surely - but are there really 'racial interests' in anything more than a superficial sense?

What interests could the 'white race' in America have except either promoting a privileged position for themselves, or safely navigating the process of letting go of a privileged position for themselves?

What interests could any other 'race' in America have - black, Asian, Hispanic, or whatever - besides either advocating for their own supremacy, or advocating for their own equality?

[Fahran]

Not condoning what he did, Anders Breivik's manifesto was more fleshed out than the other cases. It is clear why he targeted the youth camp he did, they were his political enemies that were helping to ruin Norway from his perspective. Plus the plan he executed was complex enough to include a diversion which worked. Had he planned it out even more, I dare say he could've incorporated an escape plan.

Love or hate Anders Breivik, he is at a higher level on the criminal mastermind scale.

I don't tend to admire the genius of criminals and murderers. It's most often overshadowed by moral disgust and the conviction that they should be tried, convicted, and punished according to their crimes.

[Fahran]

What interests could the 'white race' in America have except either promoting a privileged position for themselves, or safely navigating the process of letting go of a privileged position for themselves?

Both of these are instances of white (Anglo) group interests in the abstract, but, when you broaden this to include more concrete issues or cultural issues, especially those related to the concept of citizenship and issues surrounding language, more examples arise. Notably, this isn't just something that white nationalists have acknowledged. It's a common overarching theme of CRT-based analysis within law, political science, sociology, history, and education. I can provide some articles if you would like - some with which I agree, others with which I do not.

What interests could any other 'race' in America have - black, Asian, Hispanic, or whatever - besides either advocating for their own supremacy, or advocating for their own equality?

So, while we often discuss things like supremacy or equality, I'm not certain this is the best or most accurate approach to discussing the political opinions or stances of individuals. People are complex. Sometimes, political opinions may constitute a more concrete expression of racial in-group and out-group biases that do not bend deliberately towards domination or equality.

[The Alma Mater]

5: A kneejerk reaction to the sentiment that white people have no culture and that it's ok for other cultures to steamroll them in their ancestral homes- this sentiment's demonstrated in this very thread by the question "what culture?"

And yet it seems that noone can actually answer that question.

What is "white culture" ? Culture in the 1950s was vastly different than the current one. So was it in the 1850s. Or 200 AD. Which one is the culture that needs to be protected/reclaimed? From which region - because "white culture" in the region of Berlin, Germany is pretty different from that in a random rural village in Poland or Utah.

[Fahran]

What is "white culture" ? Culture in the 1950s was vastly different than the current one. So was it in the 1850s. Or 200 AD. Which one is the culture that needs to be protected/reclaimed? From which region - because "white culture" in the region of Berlin, Germany is pretty different from that in a random rural village in Poland or Utah.

White culture, as a concept, is pretty heavily dependent on the locality in question. That's part of why I don't really like to discuss culture in racial terms. What is likely meant in the United States, Canada, and Australia is the overarching culture common among white and white-passing Anglophone people in those countries. This would encompass cuisine, dialects, ubiquitous mannerisms, attitudes, social institutions, and patterns of social behavior and organization. I don't think it's controversial to assert that such a culture exists, no more controversial for sure than saying black culture in all of these places exists, though a point of contention does arise when we discuss how these cultures (or subcultures) relate to other cultures. I tend to view all American subcultures, the Anglophone ones at least, for instance as being more closely related and connected to one another than the cultures of Europe or Africa - regardless of the race predominant among said cultures/subcultures.