What if Islam became a denomination of Christianity?

[New Zoigai]

The irony is that most of the distinctions between Christianity and Islam were made by... Christians and zealots.

Say what you will about the Medieval Islamic world, it was a lot more progressive and advanced than Christian Europe, and that's ignoring the Crusades made against Islam in order to take away their ownership of Jerusalem.

Quite frankly, why does it matter so much to you whether Islam is a form of Christianity? Does it HAVE to be in order for you to accept that it's people's choice to be a Muslim? And if so, that's more of a you problem.

Yes, one could easily say Muslims and Christians and Jews are similar... That's why the term "People of the Book" exists, which was originally a Muslim term that is in the Qu'ran.

Quite frankly no one as of now is stopping me from wondering what such a world would look like. Im not trying to have a moral debate on it I simply want to see how others see history playing out.

Soo many historic Dynasties would be altered by this one senario that the possibilites are endless.

[The Rich Port]

The irony is that most of the distinctions between Christianity and Islam were made by... Christians and zealots.

Say what you will about the Medieval Islamic world, it was a lot more progressive and advanced than Christian Europe, and that's ignoring the Crusades made against Islam in order to take away their ownership of Jerusalem.

Quite frankly, why does it matter so much to you whether Islam is a form of Christianity? Does it HAVE to be in order for you to accept that it's people's choice to be a Muslim? And if so, that's more of a you problem.

Yes, one could easily say Muslims and Christians and Jews are similar... That's why the term "People of the Book" exists, which was originally a Muslim term that is in the Qu'ran.

Quite frankly no one as of now is stopping me from wondering what such a world would look like. Im not trying to have a moral debate on it I simply want to see how others see history playing out.

Soo many historic Dynasties would be altered by this one senario that the possibilites are endless.

... How the world would look like... If... Islam was more like... Christianity... Than Judaism?

... No offense but you need to work on your alt-history ideas.

On the same level as "What if WW2 but Everyone Used The Bob Semple Tank Instead"

[New Zoigai]

Quite frankly no one as of now is stopping me from wondering what such a world would look like. Im not trying to have a moral debate on it I simply want to see how others see history playing out.

Soo many historic Dynasties would be altered by this one senario that the possibilites are endless.

... How the world would look like... If... Islam was more like... Christianity... Than Judaism?

... No offense but you need to work on your alt-history ideas.

On the same level as "What if WW2 but Everyone Used The Bob Semple Tank Instead"

Coming from the one who thought this was a moral transgression,that I was trying to throw shade on people for not following my religion?

I doubt you even read the OP

[The Rich Port]

... How the world would look like... If... Islam was more like... Christianity... Than Judaism?

... No offense but you need to work on your alt-history ideas.

On the same level as "What if WW2 but Everyone Used The Bob Semple Tank Instead"

Coming from the one who thought this was a moral transgression?

I dont even think you read the OP

I mean you SAY it's not on moral or theological grounds... I just don't believe you.

Because otherwise this whole exercise would be inane. I mean it would be inane anyway but this just makes it even more inane. You're cherrypicking and being pedantic about overly specific aspects of the religions.

There's not that much difference between the three monotheistic religions. You could consider Islam a Christian religion if you really want to.

Did you understand my main point?

[New Zoigai]

Coming from the one who thought this was a moral transgression?

I dont even think you read the OP

There's not that much difference between the three monotheistic religions. You could consider Islam a Christian religion if you really want to.

Did you understand my main point?

Im asking about what would happen to the Crusades, Spice wars, and languages of the middle east and north africa, Or would anything change in europe and Anatolia, Heck even the Mongols are fair game because the first empire they conquered was an Islamic one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarazmian_Empire


As much as I want to consider Islam an offshoot of Christianty, it would only have people call me clueless on the concept of the two religions even though I follow one of them.

[The Rich Port]

There's not that much difference between the three monotheistic religions. You could consider Islam a Christian religion if you really want to.

Did you understand my main point?

Im asking about what would happen to the Crusades, Spice wars, and languages of the middle east and north africa, Or would anything change in europe and Anatolia, Heck even the Mongols are fair game because the first empire they conquered was an Islamic one.


As much as I want to consider Islam an offshoot of Christianty, it would only have people call me clueless on the concept of the two religions even though I follow one of them.

I think everyone can agree that there's SIMILARITIES and DESCENSION between the three religions, considering they ALL USE THE SAME BOOK and the newest sects just add new books.

Also... My guess is just less death and wars... Or over different, somehow pettier things. I mean shit Christians weren't even nice to heretics and heterodox peoples who were still Christians...

[Tigamore]

Im asking about what would happen to the Crusades, Spice wars, and languages of the middle east and north africa, Or would anything change in europe and Anatolia, Heck even the Mongols are fair game because the first empire they conquered was an Islamic one.


As much as I want to consider Islam an offshoot of Christianty, it would only have people call me clueless on the concept of the two religions even though I follow one of them.

I think everyone can agree that there's SIMILARITIES and DESCENSION between the three religions, considering they ALL USE THE SAME BOOK and the newest sects just add new books.

Also... My guess is just less death and wars... Or over different, somehow pettier things. I mean shit Christians weren't even nice to heretics and heterodox peoples who were still Christians...

The First,Second and Fourth posts seem to say otherwise

[Australian rePublic]

Islam could never become a denomination of Christianity, as the two faiths are incompatible. However, if this did happen, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian. That's literarly the only thing that would happen

[New Zoigai]

Islam could never become a denomination of Christianity, as the two faiths are incompatible. However, if this did happen, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian. That's literarly the only thing that would happen

Would reading the OP mabye change what you think would happen?

[Vikanias]

Allah true god, he put Muslims on earth to kill goat Christians, Allah placed Albanians to rule earth, Allah true god.

sarcasm

Then why did Allah make greatest Albanian of all time Skanderbeg a Christian?/s

He not Christian, Skanderbeg is Allah favourite, to fool christian he was Christian

[The Rich Port]

I think everyone can agree that there's SIMILARITIES and DESCENSION between the three religions, considering they ALL USE THE SAME BOOK and the newest sects just add new books.

Also... My guess is just less death and wars... Or over different, somehow pettier things. I mean shit Christians weren't even nice to heretics and heterodox peoples who were still Christians...

The First,Second and Fourth posts seem to say otherwise

... Are you responding with a puppet?

... Anyway.

I mean they're not EXACTLY THE SAME religions and they're distinct enough that SOOOOOOOME (most but not enough for me to care) people consider them to be in separate categories... But at the same time, you're the one who places them being different as being important enough to call attention to.

And yeah so fucking what, I disagree, I believe that theology should be studied from a philosophical perspective too, not just from a faith-based perspective.

And... Explain to me how some of those comments aren't just also being baffled at your cherrypicking. The second one in particular is what I got from it.

Especially all this bandying on about the Trinity. Yes, big point of controversy among Christians and other religions... Which people still wonder why they obsess over such a mundane detail.

[Australian rePublic]

Islam could never become a denomination of Christianity, as the two faiths are incompatible. However, if this did happen, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian. That's literarly the only thing that would happen

Would reading the OP mabye change what you think would happen?

I read it. Nothing has changed.

[The Rich Port]

Islam could never become a denomination of Christianity, as the two faiths are incompatible. However, if this did happen, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian. That's literarly the only thing that would happen

Would reading the OP mabye change what you think would happen?

Does it even fuckin' matter for crissakes.

What the hell is Austra gonna do about a Muslim calling themselves a Christian, be pedantic harder?

Both positions are equally valid. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S HOW RELIGION WORKS.

And before you start Austra, I don't even care that much, just enough that I'm gonna point out how pointless this is.

[Stravonia]

If Islam was a denomination of Christianity there would be a version of you in that alternate universe that would ask "What if Islam was a separate religion?"

[New Zoigai]

The First,Second and Fourth posts seem to say otherwise

... Are you responding with a puppet?

... Anyway.

I mean they're not EXACTLY THE SAME religions and they're distinct enough that SOOOOOOOME (most but not enough for me to care) people consider them to be in separate categories... But at the same time, you're the one who places them being different as being important enough to call attention to.

And yeah so fucking what, I disagree, I believe that theology should be studied from a philosophical perspective too, not just from a faith-based perspective.

And... Explain to me how some of those comments aren't just also being baffled at your cherrypicking. The second one in particular is what I got from it.

Especially all this bandying on about the Trinity. Yes, big point of controversy among Christians and other religions... Which people still wonder why they obsess over such a mundane detail.

1. Yes

2. How else do you want me to present it? Do you want me to inclue the details no one would care about when no one seems to care about what Im trying to get at as of right now?

3. I mentioned the Trinity one time

[Australian rePublic]

Mormons and JW's call themselves Christians. However, no other Christian agrees. And this isn't "No true Scotsman" either. Most people don't deny that Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants or Anabaptists are Christians, despite the fact that they have widely different beliefs to themselves. And it's not like there isn't in fighting between people of the same religion. Think of all the Catholic Protestant wars, or the wars between Sunni and Shia Islam. I repeat what I said, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian

[Thepeopl]

Wait what?
Islam, christianity and Judaism are already " abrahamic religions right?

So... I don't see the problem. They are already denying 99.9 % of all deities. Imho they are the same.
Or, if you must, you really should declare roman catholic, protestants and orthodox Christians separate religions too.

[Australian rePublic]

Wait what?
Islam, christianity and Judaism are already " abrahamic religions right?

So... I don't see the problem. They are already denying 99.9 % of all deities. Imho they are the same.
Or, if you must, you really should declare roman catholic, protestants and orthodox Christians separate religions too.

Nope.

[New Zoigai]

If Islam was a denomination of Christianity there would be a version of you in that alternate universe that would ask "What if Islam was a separate religion?"

Best answer anyone has offered soo far

[The Rich Port]

... Are you responding with a puppet?

... Anyway.

I mean they're not EXACTLY THE SAME religions and they're distinct enough that SOOOOOOOME (most but not enough for me to care) people consider them to be in separate categories... But at the same time, you're the one who places them being different as being important enough to call attention to.

And yeah so fucking what, I disagree, I believe that theology should be studied from a philosophical perspective too, not just from a faith-based perspective.

And... Explain to me how some of those comments aren't just also being baffled at your cherrypicking. The second one in particular is what I got from it.

Especially all this bandying on about the Trinity. Yes, big point of controversy among Christians and other religions... Which people still wonder why they obsess over such a mundane detail.

1. Yes

2. How else do you want me to present it? Do you want me to inclue the details no one would care about when no one seems to care about what Im trying to get at as of right now?

3. I mentioned the Trinity one time

1.) Making people up to agree with you doesn't make you more correct

2.) Good point, no, it doesn't matter. Ah but seriously... Your desire for discussion is shallow and that's your own fault. Do you seriously only want to discuss the... Hypothetical historical impact of if whether Islams and Christians... Did not fight? Or were just considered Christians? Why did you think anybody would be interested in such a shallow discussion?

3.) Yes... You completely missed my point. The Trinity is something that matters too much within the bubble of theology... And doesn't matter much else outside of it. It really doesn't matter, practically or even logically, whether God is... 3 people, or 3 things, or just one. Definitely not in a secular philosophy context. This is something that only matters to people who care about whether Trinitarianism even means anything. You don't see Buddhists or Shintoists talking about the Trinity any more than Christians discuss the Buddhist Hells, or the Taoist Celestial Bureaucracy.

The only reason this matters at all is because of religious politicking, back when the religious thought these were all immutable truths and that even discussing the possibility of other religions was insulting.

So unless you think people converting to other religions is somehow a moral evil on the same level as say, committing assault or rape or murder or treason, we're just discussing fan-fiction ideas.

[The Rich Port]

Mormons and JW's call themselves Christians. However, no other Christian agrees. And this isn't "No true Scotsman" either. Most people don't deny that Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants or Anabaptists are Christians, despite the fact that they have widely different beliefs to themselves. And it's not like there isn't in fighting between people of the same religion. Think of all the Catholic Protestant wars, or the wars between Sunni and Shia Islam. I repeat what I said, nothing would change other than a few billion more people would identify as Christian

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

The Encyclopedia Britannica says they're Christians, I trust them more than you. It's warmer for cuddling.

[New Zoigai]

1. Yes

2. How else do you want me to present it? Do you want me to inclue the details no one would care about when no one seems to care about what Im trying to get at as of right now?

3. I mentioned the Trinity one time

1.) Making people up to agree with you doesn't make you more correct

2.) Good point, no, it doesn't matter. Ah but seriously... Your desire for discussion is shallow and that's your own fault. Do you seriously only want to discuss the... Hypothetical historical impact of if whether Islams and Christians... Did not fight? Or were just considered Christians? Why did you think anybody would be interested in such a shallow discussion?

3.) Yes... You completely missed my point. The Trinity is something that matters too much within the bubble of theology... And doesn't matter much else outside of it. It really doesn't matter, practically or even logically, whether God is... 3 people, or 3 things, or just one. Definitely not in a secular philosophy context. This is something that only matters to people who care about whether Trinitarianism even means anything. You don't see Buddhists or Shintoists talking about the Trinity any more than Christians discuss the Buddhist Hells, or the Taoist Celestial Bureaucracy.

The only reason this matters at all is because of religious politicking, back when the religious thought these were all immutable truths and that even discussing the possibility of other religions was insulting.

So unless you think people converting to other religions is somehow a moral evil on the same level as say, committing assault or rape or murder or treason, we're just discussing fan-fiction ideas.

first off what ? I dont see a rule saying I cant respond with a puppet, I dont even know what the heck you want to prove here, and quite frankly I no longer care. Youve already answered my question

[Luziyca]

I don't know, but it'd probably not be as interesting as "what if Christianity remained a sect of Judaism" in terms of potential alt-histories, what with Islam (at least from first glance) always having been this clear and distinct religion whereas Christianity grew up as a sect of Judaism, with Christian sects in Judaism lasting throughout the first millennium CE, even as Christianity became its own separate thing. However, that's probably a story for a different thread, so...

If Islam were a Christian denomination, it'd be likely that the Middle East would still be Christian, albeit it would probably not be Catholic, Coptic, or Orthodox in the same ways that we know it today. It might be possible that a similar process may have happened anyway, so that even though like Judaism and Christianity, that sect would've developed within Christianity, it would end up becoming a religion in and of itself.

Turns out that altering 1,400 years of history will probably mean that a lot of things would change, even down to the things that we assume are "fixed" in time.

[The free romanians]

The irony is that most of the distinctions between Christianity and Islam were made by... Christians and zealots.

Say what you will about the Medieval Islamic world, it was a lot more progressive and advanced than Christian Europe, and that's ignoring the Crusades made against Islam in order to take away their ownership of Jerusalem.

Quite frankly, why does it matter so much to you whether Islam is a form of Christianity? Does it HAVE to be in order for you to accept that it's people's choice to be a Muslim? And if so, that's more of a you problem.

Yes, one could easily say Muslims and Christians and Jews are similar... That's why the term "People of the Book" exists, which was originally a Muslim term that is in the Qu'ran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

The orthodox byzantine empire was more progressive*
Greek fire was not something unimportant

[New Zoigai]

I don't know, but it'd probably not be as interesting as "what if Christianity remained a sect of Judaism" in terms of potential alt-histories, what with Islam (at least from first glance) always having been this clear and distinct religion whereas Christianity grew up as a sect of Judaism, with Christian sects in Judaism lasting throughout the first millennium CE, even as Christianity became its own separate thing. However, that's probably a story for a different thread, so...

If Islam were a Christian denomination, it'd be likely that the Middle East would still be Christian, albeit it would probably not be Catholic, Coptic, or Orthodox in the same ways that we know it today. It might be possible that a similar process may have happened anyway, so that even though like Judaism and Christianity, that sect would've developed within Christianity, it would end up becoming a religion in and of itself.

Turns out that altering 1,400 years of history will probably mean that a lot of things would change, even down to the things that we assume are "fixed" in time.

I guess that makes sense, Thanks for answering