NATION

PASSWORD

What if Islam became a denomination of Christianity?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Adamede
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7680
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Adamede » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:10 am

Im hardly an expert on Islam but what I do know about the religion puts it at extreme odds with traditional Christianity theologically speaking.
Last edited by Adamede on Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
22yo male. Like most everyone else my opinions are garbage.

Pro: Democracy, 1st & 2nd Amendments, Science, Conservation, Nuclear, universal healthcare, Equality regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation.
Neutral : Feminism, anarchism
Anti: Left and Right wing authoritarianism, religious extremists & theocracy, monarchy, nanny & surveillance states

User avatar
Major-Tom
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15690
Founded: Mar 09, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:20 am

Islamo-Mormonism will soon be the official religion of Utah.

User avatar
New Zoigai
Diplomat
 
Posts: 978
Founded: Feb 17, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Zoigai » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:22 am

Major-Tom wrote:Islamo-Mormonism will soon be the official religion of Utah.

YES!!!
African American, right leaning centralist, Born near the Pacific Ocean, Prosteant Christian, History Lover, 6'2,

The guy who "cant take feedback" :)
Factbooks still under construction, cut me some slack when reading them


A Class 0.1 Civilization according to this index.
Political Math Graph results
https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... &soc=-0.72




NS stats are Working in the deepest coal mines we have discovered and arent canon

User avatar
Harjanika
Envoy
 
Posts: 255
Founded: Mar 12, 2022
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Harjanika » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:27 am

No No No No No! While our religions may be similar, there's NO WAY our religions can collide.
1. Islamic Scholars would be angry
2. Racists would be angry (good tbh)
3. Islamic culture would be less significant
4. Muslims would feel confused
5. Muslims would be angry
6. There isn't really a 'Vatican' of Islam
7. The whole world would be confused
8. Christians may have to learn complicated languages
9. Religiousness would probably go down

(from the perspective of a Muslim)
How do y'all have good signatures, like I need help


Star Republic of Harjanika
Proud XKI Member

User avatar
The free romanians
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 443
Founded: Oct 15, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby The free romanians » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:28 am

Harjanika wrote:No No No No No! While our religions may be similar, there's NO WAY our religions can collide.
1. Islamic Scholars would be angry
2. Racists would be angry (good tbh)
3. Islamic culture would be less significant
4. Muslims would feel confused
5. Muslims would be angry
6. There isn't really a 'Vatican' of Islam
7. The whole world would be confused
8. Christians may have to learn complicated languages
9. Religiousness would probably go down

(from the perspective of a Muslim)

There is an visible community of arab speaking christians in the levant and egypt

User avatar
Harjanika
Envoy
 
Posts: 255
Founded: Mar 12, 2022
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Harjanika » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:29 am

(also breakaway religions may be made leading to the downfall of both Christianity and Islam)
How do y'all have good signatures, like I need help


Star Republic of Harjanika
Proud XKI Member

User avatar
New Zoigai
Diplomat
 
Posts: 978
Founded: Feb 17, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Zoigai » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:44 am

Harjanika wrote:No No No No No! While our religions may be similar, there's NO WAY our religions can collide.
1. Islamic Scholars would be angry
2. Racists would be angry (good tbh)
3. Islamic culture would be less significant
4. Muslims would feel confused
5. Muslims would be angry
6. There isn't really a 'Vatican' of Islam
7. The whole world would be confused
8. Christians may have to learn complicated languages
9. Religiousness would probably go down

(from the perspective of a Muslim)

And for all Nine of those reasons the senario Im asking about would begin in 7th-8th century as this is the only real chance I can see for the religions colliding
Last edited by New Zoigai on Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
African American, right leaning centralist, Born near the Pacific Ocean, Prosteant Christian, History Lover, 6'2,

The guy who "cant take feedback" :)
Factbooks still under construction, cut me some slack when reading them


A Class 0.1 Civilization according to this index.
Political Math Graph results
https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... &soc=-0.72




NS stats are Working in the deepest coal mines we have discovered and arent canon

User avatar
Harjanika
Envoy
 
Posts: 255
Founded: Mar 12, 2022
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Harjanika » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:50 am

New Zoigai wrote:
Harjanika wrote:No No No No No! While our religions may be similar, there's NO WAY our religions can collide.
1. Islamic Scholars would be angry
2. Racists would be angry (good tbh)
3. Islamic culture would be less significant
4. Muslims would feel confused
5. Muslims would be angry
6. There isn't really a 'Vatican' of Islam
7. The whole world would be confused
8. Christians may have to learn complicated languages
9. Religiousness would probably go down

(from the perspective of a Muslim)

And for all Nine of those reasons the scenario I'm asking about would begin in 7th-8th century as this is the only real chance I can see for the religions colliding


oh, sorry lol

In that case, it would be a possibility, although it would more be likely that Islam would be a denomination of Judaism rather than Christianity.
How do y'all have good signatures, like I need help


Star Republic of Harjanika
Proud XKI Member

User avatar
The free romanians
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 443
Founded: Oct 15, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby The free romanians » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:53 am

Harjanika wrote:
New Zoigai wrote:And for all Nine of those reasons the scenario I'm asking about would begin in 7th-8th century as this is the only real chance I can see for the religions colliding


oh, sorry lol

In that case, it would be a possibility, although it would more be likely that Islam would be a denomination of Judaism rather than Christianity.

At the time in the levant judaism was not that influencial
So its quite possible it would be achristian one

User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:Tell me you have no concept of Christianity and Islam without telling me you have no concept of Christianity and Islam


^

Judaism and Islam are more similar to each other than Christianity is to either.
Last edited by Salus Maior on Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:02 am, edited 2 times in total.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

User avatar
El Lazaro
Senator
 
Posts: 4674
Founded: Oct 19, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:37 am

Major-Tom wrote:Islamo-Mormonism will soon be the official religion of Utah.

May the Native mujahideen prevail when the Islamic States of America joins them in jihad against Yusuf al-Hadad’s dangerous tribe of Utahhabis. Those idolators must be stopped from abusing misyar marriage and defiling scripture with their unlawful bid’ah. They have attacked Berbers and fellow Bedouins alike, and most recently slaughtered 150 members of the Bakr-Fanshur party under the guise of Berbers with the aim of igniting an ethnic war in our beloved desert land.

User avatar
Sordhau
Senator
 
Posts: 4167
Founded: Nov 24, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Sordhau » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:59 am

This hypothetical is rather absurd. Islam was founded to empower and enrich it's founder as he pursued a pursuit of power and conquest to become the dominate warlord in Arabia. Muhammad had no interest in unifying Christendom with the Ummah. He was a warmonger, not a peacemaker.
| ☆ | ☭ | Council Communist | Anti-Imperialist | Post-Racialist | Revolutionary Socialist | ☭ | ☆ |

She/Her
Jennifer/Jenny

User avatar
Democratic Communist Federation
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5295
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:29 pm

First, the basic concept in Islam is Taw°ḥīd (Arabic, تَّوْحِيد). That term translates as unification or unifying one. All branches of Islam accept Taw°ḥīd and reject Trinitarianism. Most, but not all, branches of Christianity accept Trinitarianism.

Second, if Islam became a branch of Christianity, Islam would be Christian, not Muslim. To Muslims, Muhammad is the seal of the prophets. To Christian [sic, Christians], Christ is the son of God (a concept rejected by Muslims).
Last edited by Democratic Communist Federation on Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Ššālōm ʿălēyəḵẹm, Mōšẹh ʾẠhărōn hạ•Lēwiy bẹn Hẹʿrəšẹʿl (Hebrew/Yiddish, מֹשֶׁה אַהֲרֹן הַלֵוִי בֶּן הֶערְשֶׁעל)
third campismLibertarian Marxist Social Fictioncritical realismAntifaDialectical metaRealism ☝️ The
MarkFoster.NETwork
You are welcome as an embassy of Antifa Dialectical metaRealism. Our ♥️ ḏik°r
(Arabic, ذِكْر. remembrance): Yā Bahāˁ ʾal•⫯Ab°haỳ, wa•yā ʿAliyy ʾal•⫯Aʿ°laỳ! (Arabic, !يَا بَهَاء لأَبْهَى ، وَيَا عَلِيّ الأَعْلَى)
Code: Select all
[color=#ff0000]Member,[/color] [url=https://www.nationstates.net/nation=democratic_communist_federation/detail=factbook/id=870177][color=#ff0000][u]Antifa Dialectical metaRealism[/u][/color][/url]

User avatar
Reorganized Portugal
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 397
Founded: Mar 13, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Reorganized Portugal » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:04 pm

Islam and Christianity:
Both view Abraham as a prophet
Both worship the same God

That's about it.
Reorganized Kingdom of Portugal
Capital: Lisbon | Religion: Roman Catholic | TLA: POR
Overview | Constitution | Embassy Program
RTP International News: Nacradian President comes out as transgender | Among Us 2 sells 20 million copies | W h y

RTP Domestic News: Crown Prince Afonso's wife Maria ill | Whales spotted in Madeira | Parliament rejects anti-smoking law
Twilight's Last Gleaming
Congressman Daniel P. Kaheo'ole (D-HI-2)

Nation in Turmoil
Jose Antonio Rabellino
Year: 2026

User avatar
Hispida
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7021
Founded: Jun 21, 2021
Anarchy

Postby Hispida » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:08 pm

*walks into nsg*
*makes thread stating they know nothing about religion*
*leaves*


Reorganized Portugal wrote:Islam and Christianity:
Both view Abraham as a prophet
Both worship the same God

That's about it.

muslims also believe that Jesus was born to a virgin, was born free of sin, was a prophet, and ascended into Heaven
Last edited by Hispida on Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
To the NationStates Staff...
the autistic genderfluid maoist your parents never warned you about (she/they)
world's weakest brisket enjoyer

Victory Day: February 23, 2022
Factbook
current music recommendation: 757 by 100 gecs

User avatar
Vikanias
Minister
 
Posts: 2121
Founded: May 01, 2020
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Vikanias » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:14 pm

Allah true god, he put Muslims on earth to kill goat Christians, Allah placed Albanians to rule earth, Allah true god.

sarcasm
“As he died to make man holy, let us die to make man free.”

LIKES: Israel, Progessive Conservatism, Enviromental protections, small business, Newfoundland, Crab, Christianity, Democracy, Trust Busting, Pierre Poilievre, Guns, Dinosaurs, Star Wars, the Military, Pacificism, Nuclear Power

DISLIKES: Palestine, Communism, Pollution, Big Business, Quebec, CEO fat cats, Drag shows, Extreme Atheism, Authoritarianism, Pacifism, Warmongering, Trudeau, Monopolies, Gun Control

User avatar
Adamede
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7680
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Adamede » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:07 pm

Vikanias wrote:Allah true god, he put Muslims on earth to kill goat Christians, Allah placed Albanians to rule earth, Allah true god.

sarcasm

Then why did Allah make greatest Albanian of all time Skanderbeg a Christian?/s
22yo male. Like most everyone else my opinions are garbage.

Pro: Democracy, 1st & 2nd Amendments, Science, Conservation, Nuclear, universal healthcare, Equality regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation.
Neutral : Feminism, anarchism
Anti: Left and Right wing authoritarianism, religious extremists & theocracy, monarchy, nanny & surveillance states

User avatar
Asardia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1703
Founded: Dec 25, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Asardia » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:21 pm

OP, please put The Archregimancy's explanation in your post. It will make discussion much easier.
Last edited by Asardia on Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If money is where you find happiness you'll always be poor
Often its not the driver but the passengers that find the right path

North German Realm wrote:Cantello. HE's empire looks like a Persian rug more than a flag, ngl

5pb wrote:"I'm cutting it off," Ayano raised an axe above her head

"Wait wait wai... FUCK!"

User avatar
New Zoigai
Diplomat
 
Posts: 978
Founded: Feb 17, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Zoigai » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:31 pm

Last edited by New Zoigai on Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.
African American, right leaning centralist, Born near the Pacific Ocean, Prosteant Christian, History Lover, 6'2,

The guy who "cant take feedback" :)
Factbooks still under construction, cut me some slack when reading them


A Class 0.1 Civilization according to this index.
Political Math Graph results
https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... &soc=-0.72




NS stats are Working in the deepest coal mines we have discovered and arent canon

User avatar
Jewish Underground State
Diplomat
 
Posts: 916
Founded: Apr 08, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jewish Underground State » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:35 pm

To answer the question the topic was. It would be chaos
None of my past NSG views reflect my current beliefs

User avatar
Rusozak
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5998
Founded: Jun 14, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rusozak » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:50 pm

The people that argue "freedom of religion" was only meant to extend to Christian denominations will suddenly have a lot of mental gymnastics to do.
NOTE: This nation's government style, policies, and opinions in roleplay or forum 7 does not represent my true beliefs. It is purely for the enjoyment of the game.

User avatar
Prima Scriptura
Senator
 
Posts: 4783
Founded: Nov 23, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:57 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Trinitarianism is not an inherent component of Christianity, and Islam isn't just Christianity but for Klingons.



The VAST majority of prancing Christians believe in the Trinity. Non-Trinitarians make up a minuscule percentage
30 year old American male living in Minneapolis, MN.
Other than that, I’m not sure what I am.

User avatar
South Raidland
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Mar 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby South Raidland » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:22 pm

At best I see Muhammed's Realm taking up the west coast of Saudi Arabia and Possibly capturing Cario but not much more than that.

The Crusades would most likely still take place in Byzantium but instead of Isreal they would be mostly set for Egypt, Mabye An Egyptian Crusader state down the line.
Last edited by South Raidland on Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
New Zoigai
Diplomat
 
Posts: 978
Founded: Feb 17, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Zoigai » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Tell me you have no concept of Christianity and Islam without telling me you have no concept of Christianity and Islam

I have a concept of the religion I follow though.I find it odd everyone is saying I dont, usually how these discussions go, the vast majority of people offering no constructive crisitsm just insults because someone has an idea. As for Islam I rarely research it (if ever) because their isnt usually need to.
Last edited by New Zoigai on Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:49 pm, edited 3 times in total.
African American, right leaning centralist, Born near the Pacific Ocean, Prosteant Christian, History Lover, 6'2,

The guy who "cant take feedback" :)
Factbooks still under construction, cut me some slack when reading them


A Class 0.1 Civilization according to this index.
Political Math Graph results
https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... &soc=-0.72




NS stats are Working in the deepest coal mines we have discovered and arent canon

User avatar
The Rich Port
Post Czar
 
Posts: 38094
Founded: Jul 29, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby The Rich Port » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:02 pm

The irony is that most of the distinctions between Christianity and Islam were made by... Christians and zealots.

Say what you will about the Medieval Islamic world, it was a lot more progressive and advanced than Christian Europe, and that's ignoring the Crusades made against Islam in order to take away their ownership of Jerusalem.

Quite frankly, why does it matter so much to you whether Islam is a form of Christianity? Does it HAVE to be in order for you to accept that it's people's choice to be a Muslim? And if so, that's more of a you problem.

Yes, one could easily say Muslims and Christians and Jews are similar... That's why the term "People of the Book" exists, which was originally a Muslim term that is in the Qu'ran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book
Last edited by The Rich Port on Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aggicificicerous, Ariha, Greater Cesnica, James_xenoland, Ovstylap

Advertisement

Remove ads