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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:On what grounds? Twitter moderators are paid employees.

Probably a violation of user privacy to let three randos have total access to anyone's account, including their DMs.

Tweets are public. The user data belongs to Twitter, they are not selling it to anybody.

I am not as familiar with European privacy laws, in the states it would be a difficult case.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Probably a violation of user privacy to let three randos have total access to anyone's account, including their DMs.

Tweets are public. The user data belongs to Twitter, they are not selling it to anybody.

I am not as familiar with European privacy laws, in the states it would be a difficult case.


Twitter isn't able to willy nilly sell user data, or give it away, or show it to third parties. That is part of their consent decree. While tweets may be public, information Twitter has access to about the tweets and the Twitter users accounts are not. Certainly will be interesting to see how this gets handled.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:32 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Probably a violation of user privacy to let three randos have total access to anyone's account, including their DMs.

Tweets are public. The user data belongs to Twitter, they are not selling it to anybody.

I am not as familiar with European privacy laws, in the states it would be a difficult case.


It’s not the tweets that are the problem. It’s the background talk over mod actions.
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:33 am

How’s the Shitstorm ruled by Emperor God Admiral General King Prince Genius Jesus Incarnate Elon Musk the Wise.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Tweets are public. The user data belongs to Twitter, they are not selling it to anybody.

I am not as familiar with European privacy laws, in the states it would be a difficult case.


It’s not the tweets that are the problem. It’s the background talk over mod actions.


Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

This is all to avoid admitting that the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view that may have altered the election.
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Postby Nora Xent » Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It’s not the tweets that are the problem. It’s the background talk over mod actions.


Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

This is all to avoid admitting that the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view that may have altered the election.

I am not taking seriously the people that basically just say 'A secret group of three people have power over Twitter's policy and moderators' and those people are the fucking executives, like no shit the people who control the company have power over it's policy.

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It’s not the tweets that are the problem. It’s the background talk over mod actions.


Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

This is all to avoid admitting that the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view that may have altered the election.

Hello! You’ve Been Referred Here Because You’re Wrong About Twitter And Hunter Biden’s Laptop

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Postby Informed Consent » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:08 pm

Nora Xent wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

This is all to avoid admitting that the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view that may have altered the election.

I am not taking seriously the people that basically just say 'A secret group of three people have power over Twitter's policy and moderators' and those people are the fucking executives, like no shit the people who control the company have power over it's policy.

Until the FBI starts sitting down and advising you on a weekly basis on what to draw attention to, and away from for the sake of an administration.
Not that it takes that much arm twisting, really, to convince progressive tycoons to collaborate with a progressive judiciary.
Just your garden variety public/private partnered exercise in social engineering.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:17 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

This is all to avoid admitting that the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view that may have altered the election.

Hello! You’ve Been Referred Here Because You’re Wrong About Twitter And Hunter Biden’s Laptop

You've got it wrong.

Use one of my favorite web sites against me, but I don't think it disclaims what I said.

Mike is not saying nothing happened, he is saying it went down exactly as he predicted it would with this type of moderation. The article also is very narrow in what he talks about as it only covers the internals, not what happened on the outside.


And as he cautioned, More info dropped today ( though I didn't read it).
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:

Use one of my favorite web sites against me, but I don't think it disclaims what I said.

Mike is not saying nothing happened, he is saying it went down exactly as he predicted it would with this type of moderation. The article also is very narrow in what he talks about as it only covers the internals, not what happened on the outside.


And as he cautioned, More info dropped today ( though I didn't read it).


Besides being a crack head and fucking hookers, why should I give two shits about Hunter Biden?
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Postby Nora Xent » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:23 pm

Informed Consent wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:I am not taking seriously the people that basically just say 'A secret group of three people have power over Twitter's policy and moderators' and those people are the fucking executives, like no shit the people who control the company have power over it's policy.

Until the FBI starts sitting down and advising you on a weekly basis on what to draw attention to, and away from for the sake of an administration.
Not that it takes that much arm twisting, really, to convince progressive tycoons to collaborate with a progressive judiciary.
Just your garden variety public/private partnered exercise in social engineering.
Kings, merchants, and magistrates have been doing this kind of thing for centuries.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:26 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Use one of my favorite web sites against me, but I don't think it disclaims what I said.

Mike is not saying nothing happened, he is saying it went down exactly as he predicted it would with this type of moderation. The article also is very narrow in what he talks about as it only covers the internals, not what happened on the outside.


And as he cautioned, More info dropped today ( though I didn't read it).


Besides being a crack head and fucking hookers, why should I give two shits about Hunter Biden?


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Postby Gravlen » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:36 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:

Use one of my favorite web sites against me, but I don't think it disclaims what I said.

Mike is not saying nothing happened, he is saying it went down exactly as he predicted it would with this type of moderation. The article also is very narrow in what he talks about as it only covers the internals, not what happened on the outside.

That is not true.

It says, among other thing, this:
Hilariously, Elon Musk seems kinda confused about how time works. That tweet that we screenshotted about about the “1st Amendment” violation is in response to an internal email that Taibbi revealed about what Taibbi (misleadingly) says are “requests from connected actors to delete tweets” followed by a screenshot of Twitter employees listing out some tweets saying “more to review from the Biden team” and someone responding “handled these.”

On top of that, while Taibbi claims that these were “requests to delete,” as the Twitter email quite clearly says, these are for Twitter to “review.” In other words, these were flagged for Twitter to review if they violate Twitter’s policies as the naked images clearly do.

So, there’s clearly no 1st Amendment concern here because, despite Musk’s understanding of the space-time continuum, the Biden administration was not in the White House in October of 2020. Second, even if we’re concerned about political campaigns asking for content to be deleted, flagging content for companies to review to see if they violate policies is not (in any way) the same as demanding it be deleted. Anyone can flag content. And then the company reviews it and makes a determination.

Even more importantly, nothing revealed so far suggests that the campaign had anything to say to Twitter regarding the NY Post story or any story regarding the laptop. Literally the only concerns raised were about the naked pictures.

Finally, as noted above, the only other Democrat mentioned so far in the Twitter files is Rep. Ro Khanna who told Twitter it was wrong to stop the links to the NY Post article, and urged them to rescind the decision in the name of free speech. That does not sounds like the Democrats secretly pressuring the company to block the story. It kinda sounds like the exact opposite.

This covers what happened on the outside as well, since the underlined shows what's coming in to Twitter.

This quote also disputes your general assertion that "the democratic party and Twitter colluded in suppressing points of view". As Masnick points out, the Biden campaign has not been shown to ask for the NY POst story or any story regarding the laptop to be suppressed, and the only Democrat mentioned was Rep. Ro Khanna who told Twitter it was wrong to stop the links to the NY Post article.

The three central elements of your statement, that the Democratic party wanted to suppress points of view, that they colluded with Twitter to do so, and that it may have altered the election, are all shown to be unfounded based on the available evidence. That means that the assertion remains a baseless claim.

Ethel mermania wrote:And as he cautioned, More info dropped today ( though I didn't read it).

The new drop apparently didn't provide any new bombshells either.

Like, I'll be honest, I had actually *expected* a lot more. Someone somewhere must have said something stupid. But, so far... um... nothing. I mean, honestly, if someone leaked my own internal discussion about *fighting spam* on @techdirt I think it would look WAY more damning.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:43 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It’s not the tweets that are the problem. It’s the background talk over mod actions.


Thats from twitters employees and that is not protected.

Bari Weiss is not a Twitter employee, yet she has evidently and by her own account been given access to a logged in Twitter laptop. Based on images she posted on Twitter, she was able to see private information, like an account's email, IP address, and their DMs.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:06 am

Musk has emailed all Twitter staff(probably about seven people at this point) threatening to sue anyone who leaks confidential information to the press. That email has, hilariously, immediately been leaked, but seems like quite the crock of shit when he's been leaking confidential information to the press for days now. Pretty weird that the transparency and free speech guy wants to personally control all information going to the press.

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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:08 am

Ifreann wrote:Musk has emailed all Twitter staff(probably about seven people at this point) threatening to sue anyone who leaks confidential information to the press. That email has, hilariously, immediately been leaked, but seems like quite the crock of shit when he's been leaking confidential information to the press for days now. Pretty weird that the transparency and free speech guy wants to personally control all information going to the press.
Source? :eyebrow:

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Postby Juristonia » Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:42 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Musk has emailed all Twitter staff(probably about seven people at this point) threatening to sue anyone who leaks confidential information to the press. That email has, hilariously, immediately been leaked, but seems like quite the crock of shit when he's been leaking confidential information to the press for days now. Pretty weird that the transparency and free speech guy wants to personally control all information going to the press.
Source? :eyebrow:

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:38 am

Juristonia wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Source? :eyebrow:

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:


Oh poor Elon. It’s stressful to be an ass.

I dunno, I manage well enough.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh poor Elon. It’s stressful to be an ass.

I dunno, I manage well enough.


You are a lovable ass. There is nothing lovable about Elon.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I dunno, I manage well enough.


You are a lovable ass. There is nothing lovable about Elon.

True enough.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:43 pm

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Oh poor Elon. It’s stressful to be an ass.


He says a couple things I like and make sense, I start to think if he puts down the crack pipe he has a chance, and then he says stuff like this.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:22 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh poor Elon. It’s stressful to be an ass.


He says a couple things I like and make sense, I start to think if he puts down the crack pipe he has a chance, and then he says stuff like this.


You act like you’re surprised. This is Elon‘s MO.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:40 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:He says a couple things I like and make sense, I start to think if he puts down the crack pipe he has a chance, and then he says stuff like this.

You act like you’re surprised. This is Elon‘s MO.

Guess Ethel can't help trying to see the good sides of absolute maniacs. A waste of effort, if you ask me.


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