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Postby Informed Consent » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:54 am

I do not know what the hoopla is about.
It has been detailed by federal investigation and committee that the Biden family has politically compromised itself with several foreign entities through financial transaction that has at best been extortive by either the Bidens, or the foreign interests they have interacted with through the years. Big deal.
No one is obligated to report on it, and they are not Republicans, so it is all good.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:57 am

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If that was the case and laws were broken, why aren’t they going after his current equipment? Why haven’t they presented what they have?

Talking about conspiracies are fun and useful and you don’t have to present evidence.


The stories were suppressed

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/tech/mus ... index.html


Ok.

I wonder why Murdock only used this through the Post? Why didn’t he use Fox?

Still. If there was credible damage by Hunter, why aren’t charges being filed?

Conspiracies are a great political tool.

I am guessing there will be 52 “Benghazi” hearings in the future. Care to off a number?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:02 am

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Did Hunter Biden sexually harass someone? Did he rape someone? Because from what I've read he's had his privacy violated and is therefor the victim here. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

He was taking cash from the Ukrainians for access to his dad. Whether his dad knew, I dont belive was in the emails.

Fact is Twitter suppressed information that could have effected the election.


Why would said information have effected the election?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:03 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:He was taking cash from the Ukrainians for access to his dad. Whether his dad knew, I dont belive was in the emails.

Fact is Twitter suppressed information that could have effected the election.


Why would said information have effected the election?


Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:07 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why would said information have effected the election?


Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.


Maybe in the past when people were concerned about such things. The camps are too divided and support levels would have pretty much remained the same.

Let’s see if Trump is able to secure his nomination when considering all the evidence we have seen over the SCI and special programs files. I will be curious if that had an effect on dropping support for him?
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Postby Informed Consent » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why would said information have effected the election?


Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.

Dunno.
These kinds of things are often resume enhancers, or at least largely accepted by the fan base as just the cost of doing business.

We are weirdly in the habit of making allowances for organized political crime that we do not make for its street side cousin.
Particularly in dynastic politics.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:12 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why would said information have effected the election?


Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.


Also,

People still voted for Trump after the money granted to the Kushners.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:15 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.


Maybe in the past when people were concerned about such things. The camps are too divided and support levels would have pretty much remained the same.

Let’s see if Trump is able to secure his nomination when considering all the evidence we have seen over the SCI and special programs files. I will be curious if that had an effect on dropping support for him?


I would be very surprised if Trump got the nomination.

Back to the point, Twitter by suppressing the story influenced the election. It disparages the story as not true, when in fact it is very true.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:24 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Maybe in the past when people were concerned about such things. The camps are too divided and support levels would have pretty much remained the same.

Let’s see if Trump is able to secure his nomination when considering all the evidence we have seen over the SCI and special programs files. I will be curious if that had an effect on dropping support for him?


I would be very surprised if Trump got the nomination.

Back to the point, Twitter by suppressing the story influenced the election. It disparages the story as not true, when in fact it is very true.


Is it? Says who?
Because the actual investigation said that the overwhelming majority of laptop contents could not be ascribed to Biden; and none of the stuff that could was evidence of illegal activity.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:24 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Maybe in the past when people were concerned about such things. The camps are too divided and support levels would have pretty much remained the same.

Let’s see if Trump is able to secure his nomination when considering all the evidence we have seen over the SCI and special programs files. I will be curious if that had an effect on dropping support for him?


I would be very surprised if Trump got the nomination.

Back to the point, Twitter by suppressing the story influenced the election. It disparages the story as not true, when in fact it is very true.


What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.
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Postby Informed Consent » Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:10 am

The Black Forrest wrote:What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.

If you can get away with destabilizing an entire region for no objective reason, then the happenings in one town will not matter to whatever passes for oversight in these matters.

Meanwhile...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... H2O_cZ47F7
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I would be very surprised if Trump got the nomination.

Back to the point, Twitter by suppressing the story influenced the election. It disparages the story as not true, when in fact it is very true.


What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.

Hunter getting paid for being on the board of burisma, is one. Exactly what expertise does he have to be on the board? What Hunter did is unethical if not illegal and was germane to the election.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why would said information have effected the election?


Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.

It's so weird how people talk about the Biden family when they just mean Hunter smoking crack or getting hired because his father's a famous politician. Who else in the family is involved? It smacks of the right trying to force a "Biden crime family" meme.

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Postby Informed Consent » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Folks may not vote for Biden after understanding what the family was up too.

It's so weird how people talk about the Biden family when they just mean Hunter smoking crack or getting hired because his father's a famous politician. Who else in the family is involved? It smacks of the right trying to force a "Biden crime family" meme.

Yeah, the FBI, who had the laptop and was fully cognizant of the nature of the material and personalities involved before Oct 2020, really blew things way out of proportion by having weekly advisory meetings with social media that culminated in a hybrid lie/warning that some Russian hack/dump about alleged Hunter malfeasance was coming.
Enter the NY Post publishing an investigative piece absent Russian fingerprints.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:49 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.

Hunter getting paid for being on the board of burisma, is one. Exactly what expertise does he have to be on the board? What Hunter did is unethical if not illegal and was germane to the election.

First of all, being paid for being on a board without any expertise... that happens all of the time. It's not necessarily either unethical or illegal. There could be a myriad of reasons why a company wants you on the board, ranging from personal qualifications, to having powerful connections, to simply being a cool dude.

Second, what expertiese did Hunter Biden have? Well...

Hunter Biden is a graduate of Yale Law School. He has among other things worked at the US Department of Commerce, worked as a lobbyist, and held an appointed position on the board of directors of Amtrak. He's also worked at a private investment fund focused on investing Chinese capital in companies based outside of China. Before starting to work for Burisma he worked as an attorney for Boies Schiller Flexner LLP.

So Hunter Biden
1) - was an experienced lawyer
2) - had experience with transnational investments
3) - had previous experience working on a board of directors

His stated role at Burisma was to be "in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations." That's 1) and 2) above.

What he actually did in that role?
Interviews with more than a dozen people, including executives and former prosecutors in Ukraine, paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board, which ended in April of this year.

So tell me more about how it was illegal and/or unethical to put Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:56 am

Informed Consent wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.

If you can get away with destabilizing an entire region for no objective reason, then the happenings in one town will not matter to whatever passes for oversight in these matters.

Meanwhile...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... H2O_cZ47F7


Ok. That read like a Fox News talking head story. Seriously; a “real” investigation would not have Sean Hannity references unless Hunter was on and lying about things.

Smells like a Benghazi effort in the making.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:59 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What laws were broken by the Bidens and why aren’t the Republicans going after them….serious versus innuendo and conspiracy?

This will probably be like H’s emails which were going to destroy the democrats and the goverment.

My prediction? 52 “Benghazi” hearings.

Hunter getting paid for being on the board of burisma, is one. Exactly what expertise does he have to be on the board? What Hunter did is unethical if not illegal and was germane to the election.


Well many people are on boards for various reasons. Even getting paid for it. My last company was high tech. There were non-high tech industry people on the board.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Hunter getting paid for being on the board of burisma, is one. Exactly what expertise does he have to be on the board? What Hunter did is unethical if not illegal and was germane to the election.


Well many people are on boards for various reasons. Even getting paid for it. My last company was high tech. There were non-high tech industry people on the board.


The only thing hunter has to sell is his father.

Still doesn't matter, by suppressing the information American media colluded to interfere with the election. Even if the charges were complete bunk it should not have been suppressed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:33 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well many people are on boards for various reasons. Even getting paid for it. My last company was high tech. There were non-high tech industry people on the board.


The only thing hunter has to sell is his father.

Still doesn't matter, by suppressing the information American media colluded to interfere with the election. Even if the charges were complete bunk it should not have been suppressed.


Well? I guess if you don’t like the Bidens; I can see this as upsetting. What law did Hunter break?

Still if it’s all political conspiracies in time for the election; why is they press obligated to “front page” them? Why is twitter obligated? I could image if the Press left it a minor story or page 25; people would be complaining.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The only thing hunter has to sell is his father.

Still doesn't matter, by suppressing the information American media colluded to interfere with the election. Even if the charges were complete bunk it should not have been suppressed.


Well? I guess if you don’t like the Bidens; I can see this as upsetting. What law did Hunter break?

Still if it’s all political conspiracies in time for the election; why is they press obligated to “front page” them? Why is twitter obligated? I could image if the Press left it a minor story or page 25; people would be complaining.


Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:44 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? I guess if you don’t like the Bidens; I can see this as upsetting. What law did Hunter break?

Still if it’s all political conspiracies in time for the election; why is they press obligated to “front page” them? Why is twitter obligated? I could image if the Press left it a minor story or page 25; people would be complaining.


Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.

Didn't it come out years ago that some tabloid rag had been buying and killing stories about Trump? Clearly Americans don't care about press interference in an election.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:46 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? I guess if you don’t like the Bidens; I can see this as upsetting. What law did Hunter break?

Still if it’s all political conspiracies in time for the election; why is they press obligated to “front page” them? Why is twitter obligated? I could image if the Press left it a minor story or page 25; people would be complaining.


Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.


And the question remains. What law did Hunter break?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.

Didn't it come out years ago that some tabloid rag had been buying and killing stories about Trump? Clearly Americans don't care about press interference in an election.


That was the National Enquirer. They “bought” stories of Trump cheating on Melania. Probably other things as well.
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.


And the question remains. What law did Hunter break?


No idea but pretty sure whoever leaked his nudes and sex tape probably did break a law or two by doing so.

Perhaps they're the one who should be investigated?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Whether I like the bidens or not is immaterial. Whether the times buries the story is immaterial. Twitter, and facebook shut down the accounts talking about it, that is the issue. The information was deliberately suppressed. That is interference in an election.


And the question remains. What law did Hunter break?

Doesn't matter. The topic is election interference by Twitter. They interfered. It wasn't the Russians, it was us
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