Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard

[Harjanika]

Remember when this was about the actual trial?

[Ostroeuropa]

gender equality is not the same as feminism. I oppose feminism because I support gender equality.

That's why I'm a Gender Equalist

I think your heart is in the right place, but I'd like to point out to you that the justice system is indeed biased against men.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/men-wome ... _n_1874742

Is one example of it and the most straightforward.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I haven't been following this case, but from what I gathered at first glance, I think they just need to be away from each other.

[Ostroeuropa]

I haven't been following this case, but from what I gathered at first glance, I think they just need to be away from each other.

AFAIK This is what Depp wanted, but Heard decided to publicly accuse him of stuff. He reached a settlement with her to get her to just leave him alone, and then she broke the settlement and kept doing it anyway. So now he has sued her.

[State of Imperial Russia]

Remember when this was about the actual trial?

This is the NationStates General forum in action.

[Dreria]

Does anybody fucking believe Amber Heard anymore? All the discussion of this case I've seen in leftist and "SJW" spaces have people recognizing Heard as an abuser. Who are her supporters? TERFS and affluent liberals I guess?

what does this have to do with "TERFS" lmao

[Nazi Flower Power]

Does anybody fucking believe Amber Heard anymore? All the discussion of this case I've seen in leftist and "SJW" spaces have people recognizing Heard as an abuser. Who are her supporters? TERFS and affluent liberals I guess?

what does this have to do with "TERFS" lmao

Nothing. Page just felt like making a dig at them because they are TERFs.

[Ostroeuropa]

Does anybody fucking believe Amber Heard anymore? All the discussion of this case I've seen in leftist and "SJW" spaces have people recognizing Heard as an abuser. Who are her supporters? TERFS and affluent liberals I guess?

what does this have to do with "TERFS" lmao

I think Page is *possibly* suggesting that misandrists are TERF feminists. I think this isn't really the case, and plenty of feminists are misandrists without also being transphobic (Though i've never met a TERF who wasn't a misandrist). By saying it's "TERFs" supporting this, Page can conceptualize the deep problems feminist rhetoric and ideas cause as down to a particular transphobic variant of it (In particular, that there is no word or even discourse to seperate a non-misandrist feminist from a misandrist feminist, so when trying to call a group of feminists "The Bad Kind", TERF is the best they can do, because feminism is part of an ongoing epistemic injustice against men and they don't even have a word to acknowledge it, a classic case of epistemic injustice.

(There's a word for a transphobic feminist, there is no word for a misandrist feminist. Thus, Page is forced to do the best with what they have available to them, rather than question 'Hold on a minute' and realize this is because feminism is in and of itself misandrist in epistemic terms).

I could be wrong, but it's a thing i've seen other feminists do as well.

By suggesting it's "TERFs" whom are the source of the anti-depp, pro-heard stuff, Page can conceptualize the issue as within an identifiable strain of feminist thought rather than an epidemic that pervades the totality of it, with individuals like Page serving as the memetic version of Typhoid Maries being the explanation for their relative immunity to the deleterious effects of their framework and rhetoric, rather than it being some other, wholly distinct form of thought from their own being the source of these systemic issues. This is vital for their conception of feminism and of themselves.

A rough equivalent would be someone who paints a shitload of racist art in the sincere attempt to fight racism, and who is predisposed to view racist art as parodic and critical of racism. Faced with the obvious impact of this (Namely, that there is now widespread racism everywhere), they turn and say "The problem is the homophobic people who paint racist art", who are already a known strain within the community and recognized as distinct from people like Page and their peers. The alternative is to admit culpability to some degree. "It's not my art causing people to go nuts and attack black people. It's... the art of people who also include homophobia in their art.".

That it "Has nothing to do with TERFs" is obvious to anybody else. But he's saying it to reassure himself and his peers, not to make any actual sense.

[Harjanika]

What are TERFs?

[Ostroeuropa]

What are TERFs?

Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. Admittedly, probably the absolute worst kind of feminist.

I think TERFs might possibly be interested in the trial largely because Depp and Rowling had a falling out, but I don't think they're the totality of feminist support for heard. Rowling is basically TERF in chief and Depp and hers strained relationship does seem a plausible reason why TERFs would take an interest in the case above and beyond their usual pathological siding with a (cis) woman in any dispute.

But i've also seen pro-trans spaces which are pro-heard.

[Sordhau]

Does anybody fucking believe Amber Heard anymore? All the discussion of this case I've seen in leftist and "SJW" spaces have people recognizing Heard as an abuser. Who are her supporters? TERFS and affluent liberals I guess?

what does this have to do with "TERFS" lmao

TERFs, like all radfems, typically display varying degrees of misandry. This is part of the reason they're TERFs in the first place, as they believe transwomen are just perverted men trying to creep on ciswomen.

[AXED]

What are you guys gonna do if amber heard wins?

Move to mars.

[Ostroeuropa]

What are you guys gonna do if amber heard wins?

It would be a good opportunity for recruitment.

[Countesia]

"Nobody will believe you. Tell the world, Johnny, tell them, Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence."

Amber Heard, Ambassador for Domestic Violence of the ACLU.

"Let's drown her before we burn her!!! I will fuck her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead."

Sounds like you've never been in an abusive relationship.

Many people have fantasised about killing their abuser. Part of how human beings rationalise the suffering inflicted upon them.

She's still alive though, so all it ever turned out to be was the words of a mentally and emotionally broken man, having lost his entire Hollywood career and reputation to the lies of a manipulative witch.

[Stellar Colonies]

I will admit that I am not deeply-informed on this case, but the information I've seen indicates that Depp was the victim and Heard was the aggressor.

[Shilshka]

Remember when this was about the actual trial?

This is the NationStates General forum in action.

We did it, Reddit!

[Stellar Colonies]

Men don't tend to make false accusations of this kind because they don't work for them anywhere near as well.

false accusations don't happen as often as you wanna think. it's like, 2-10% of cases that are false and that's not even factoring in god knows how many cases that go untold.

How many are proven true versus how many are proven false is a more important metric than how many are proven false against the rest.

[State of Imperial Russia]

This is the NationStates General forum in action.

We did it, Reddit!

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[Harjanika]

This is the NationStates General forum in action.

We did it, Reddit!

???

[Sale-Rabat]

Women using false accusations of violence against males is as old as males trying to hurt women and they are both horrible.

Then both men and women are bad about this

I didn't say otherwise, but lately only men are blamed.

[The Alma Mater]

Then both men and women are bad about this

I didn't say otherwise, but lately only men are blamed.

I don't know if it is "lately". The image of a woman repeatedly smacking a man with a pin-roller, carpet beater, frying pan etc. is a staple of older cartoons - and people though that "humerous" instead of "clear abuse".

Which ofc is part of the problem - men are expected "to just take it".

[Juristonia]

Sounds like you've never been in an abusive relationship.

Many people have fantasised about killing their abuser. Part of how human beings rationalise the suffering inflicted upon them.

She's still alive though, so all it ever turned out to be was the words of a mentally and emotionally broken man, having lost his entire Hollywood career and reputation to the lies of a manipulative witch.

Sounds like you're making assumptions.

Even the clinical psychologist that was working as their marriage counsellor has testified that the two were engaging in mutual abuse, so if you have some information that she didn't have, by all means, share it with the class.
https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetwork/sta ... 8135706628

[Ostroeuropa]

Sounds like you've never been in an abusive relationship.

Many people have fantasised about killing their abuser. Part of how human beings rationalise the suffering inflicted upon them.

She's still alive though, so all it ever turned out to be was the words of a mentally and emotionally broken man, having lost his entire Hollywood career and reputation to the lies of a manipulative witch.

Sounds like you're making assumptions.

Even the clinical psychologist that was working as their marriage counsellor has testified that the two were engaging in mutual abuse , so if you have some information that she didn't have, by all means, share it with the class.
https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetwork/sta ... 8135706628

She explicitly says he was being controlled for the length of the relationship.

Meanwhile;

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/cel ... -rcna25461

Experts in the field have reacted to her testimony negatively and said she is at fault and has introduced something wrong to the trial.

Because she explicitly acknowledged a power dynamic wherein Depp was controlled by Heard, they reject the characterization of "Mutual abuse"

Glenn added that self-defense against a primary aggressor can "look like abuse," but it's a not the same as an abuser exerting control over a victim.

So you know. Exactly what people are explaining to you in this thread. The actual experts in the field of DV reject this testimony and view it as flawed. She's a marriage counsellor, not an expert in DV. Depps lawyers should have objected to this line of questioning or objected to her use of a term that is dismissed by experts in the field.

Misappropriating phrases like "gaslighting" and "mutual abuse" can minimize conversations about domestic violence, Glenn said.

"Please don't use them until you understand," Glenn said. "Because you're causing more harm than good."

The counsellor is throwing the term "Mutual abuse" out there even after testifying that Depp was the one being abused. She just doesn't understand that's what she did and she should stay in her lane.

[The Black Forrest]

Well? Amber had a girl friend after they broke up and the GF filed a restraining order and distance due to violence. Her assistant said most of the claims were false. Others; she could not substantiate as she was not there.

Sounds like Amber is making a few things up.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well? Amber had a girl friend after they broke up and the GF filed a restraining order and distance due to violence. Her assistant said most of the claims were false. Others; she could not substantiate as she was not there.

Sounds like Amber is making a few things up.

She explicitly told Depp she would make things up and people would believe her over him because he's a man. We have it on tape. She claims that even though she said that, she isn't making the things she's saying up.

And some people are daft enough to believe her. Frankly it's such a damning piece of evidence that literally nothing she says should be taken seriously. Only things other people say or physical evidence corroborates should hold any sway.