Blue Lives Matter - What is the true meaning of the movement

[American Legionaries]

no they are an armed and dangerous gestapo who reinforce capital interests. they are not your friends and exist solely to keep you firmly pressed beneath the boots of big corporations and international imperialism.

While it's true that they do in part function to maintain the socioeconomic status quo, in practice, that's not why any of them join the force...but if you want to experience life without police, you're free to visit Somalia and report back on your thoughts, if you've still got your fingers.

...and..."armed and dangerous Gestapo"? Really? I don't think you have much experience just talking with officers. I used to work security, so I've had many interactions with police and they're all just people.

The Gestapo were also people. And it's worth noting that why they joined the police force is irrelevant, the job they are given is often times harmful to the people and their livelihoods. Any good will they had is either gone, or perverted to meaninglessness if they are actively prosecuting people for harmless acts.

[Uawc]

While it's true that they do in part function to maintain the socioeconomic status quo, in practice, that's not why any of them join the force...but if you want to experience life without police, you're free to visit Somalia and report back on your thoughts, if you've still got your fingers.

...and..."armed and dangerous Gestapo"? Really? I don't think you have much experience just talking with officers. I used to work security, so I've had many interactions with police and they're all just people.

The Gestapo were also people. And it's worth noting that why they joined the police force is irrelevant, the job they are given is often times harmful to the people and their livelihoods. Any good will they had is either gone, or perverted to meaninglessness if they are actively prosecuting people for harmless acts.

They're law enforcement. Their job is to enforce the law. If what they're doing is problematic, laws need to change. Elect different people. Write letters to officials.

That said, I'd put money on it that every cop I've ever met would risk their own life to help someone in trouble, even if it's not strictly their job.

Of course I'm speaking strictly within the context of a Western democracy.

[American Legionaries]

The Gestapo were also people. And it's worth noting that why they joined the police force is irrelevant, the job they are given is often times harmful to the people and their livelihoods. Any good will they had is either gone, or perverted to meaninglessness if they are actively prosecuting people for harmless acts.

They're law enforcement. Their job is to enforce the law. If what they're doing is problematic, laws need to change. Elect different people. Write letters to officials.

That said, I'd put money on it that every cop I've ever met would risk their own life to help someone in trouble, even if it's not strictly their job.

Of course I'm speaking strictly within the context of a Western democracy.

The Gestapo were also law enforcement, hence the previous comparison. The question here is rather we should respect or thank law enforcement officers for doing their job, and I see no reason to do that.

As for risking their lives to help others, they may well do that, or they may not. They are, however, in an occupation that often results in them putting themselves in harm's way specifically to cause harm to others. Also, if they're willing to put themselves in harm's way to protect someone in trouble, is that willingness caused by their employment as a law enforcement officer? Because plenty of people who aren't law enforcement are willing to put themselves in harm's way to help others.

[The Rich Port]

no they are an armed and dangerous gestapo who reinforce capital interests. they are not your friends and exist solely to keep you firmly pressed beneath the boots of big corporations and international imperialism.

While it's true that they do in part function to maintain the socioeconomic status quo, in practice, that's not why any of them join the force...but if you want to experience life without police, you're free to visit Somalia and report back on your thoughts, if you've still got your fingers.

...and..."armed and dangerous Gestapo"? Really? I don't think you have much experience just talking with officers. I used to work security, so I've had many interactions with police and they're all just people.

See I'ma have to disagree with you there. Quite a few cops are conservative, so, right there is an exception to your statement. We don't need to have lawlessness, that's not what Defund The Police is about. We don't want to completely defund the police, we want the police to have reasonable budgets that don't result in the miitarization of them... Tyranny is harder to maintain if it's less armed.

And frankly, to some degree, some crime is healthy. Quite a few people turn to crime because they just don't have any other job prospects, and in America, you NEED a job, not having a job isn't an option really, and that's why so many people turn to crime... Crime is a business, crime is a job, an illegal one, sure, but a job nonetheless, and it pays way better than a lot of shitty legal jobs.

It's better to have some crime than to have the police be the only ones capable of doing crime. The monopoly of violence shouldn't be the sole domain of the government.

Not all crime is automatically evil.

[Archinstinct]

#BlackLivesMatter

[Necroghastia]

So if you agree that black lives matter, why do you have such a problem with people saying so, to the point that you agree with movements that exist simply to silence and talk over them?

I don't know about rick perry, but my reasoning for not wholly supporting the BLM movement is because the founders of the Black Lives Matter movement are hardline marxist-leninists. While I will usually support movements for equality, I didn't support BLM in 2020 over this fact. I hate to be right, but the movement has done more to spike racial tensions than it has done any good for American society; A result which goes against what a majority of activists and myself wanted, but would be exactly the intention of communists who want to provoke violence for social change. It angers and disgusts me to think that the founders gave not one damn about promoting racial equality, but used the movement to get one step closer to a reality where they can repeatedly sink a knife into the chest of whomever they want. Martin Luther King must have been rolling over in his grave.

You're right, he probably is. After all, you are making literally the exact same allegations that people in the 50s and 60s made about him and his movement.

[The Rich Port]

So if you agree that black lives matter, why do you have such a problem with people saying so, to the point that you agree with movements that exist simply to silence and talk over them?

I don't know about rick perry, but my reasoning for not wholly supporting the BLM movement is because the founders of the Black Lives Matter movement are hardline marxist-leninists. While I will usually support movements for equality, I didn't support BLM in 2020 over this fact. I hate to be right, but the movement has done more to spike racial tensions than it has done any good for American society; A result which goes against what a majority of activists and myself wanted, but would be exactly the intention of communists who want to provoke violence for social change. It angers and disgusts me to think that the founders gave not one damn about promoting racial equality, but used the movement to get one step closer to a reality where they can repeatedly sink a knife into the chest of whomever they want. Martin Luther King must have been rolling over in his grave.

Marxism Leninism is literally about the dissolution of hierarchies... It doesn't get anymore egalitarian than that.

You have zero idea what this movement is about.

Also... Martin Luther King was an avowed socialist... So...

https://inthesetimes.com/article/martin ... capitalism

[Archinstinct]

#BlackLivesMatter

[Cania-Lucerna]

We need to police to have grenades and rifles to destroy un desireables like communists

And we should hire more minorities in the police force and women

And let the children join a youth wing

This is my Ted talk

[The Rich Port]

--- The civil rights movement effectively brought about real change like the end of segregation and the civil rights act of 1964. The Black Lives matter movement made Americans hate each other, exacerbated political division, and led to death, beatings on innocent people, and pointless pillaging.

The civil rights movement was right and moral. MLK is a hero and the activists back then are regarded as heroes. At least to me.

The movement of 2020 The Civil Rights Movement of 1964 feels like tens of millions of people were made to look like chumps and tools by leaders who didn't give a fuck about them. It felt like it was used more as a excuse by people who just wanted to loot and riot.

You see the difference?

Or are you agreeing with my assessment? Because in that case I say yes it is indeed sad that the such allegations could be made at all for any reason. Black Lives matter needs new, better and peaceful leaders to reinvigorate it. Maybe a second time around it'll have more reach. I hope so. It's beyond time racism just dies an ugly death.

You notice how... What you said fits more or less perfectly into the other?

That's literally exactly how the CRM was spoken of when it was happening.

And friend. That's not what racism is. Racism isn't "YEAH I HATE BLACKS, I DON'T CARE IF I'M WRONG".

Racism is always justified as not it. Racism isn't racism to racists, it's just being right.

"Blacks just commit crimes, leech off of unemployment, and when people force them to work, they just go out and riot until they get what they want, they're violent Communist savages and we must protect ourselves from them."

That is LITERALLY how Nixon and saw them, and it's why he targeted them so much. We BARELY scraped by with the Civil Rights Act. And guess what. It WASN'T ENOUGH. It was GUTTED partially in the end.

[Archinstinct]

The Civil Rights Movement of 1964 feels like tens of millions of people were made to look like chumps and tools by leaders who didn't give a fuck about them. It felt like it was used more as a excuse by people who just wanted to loot and riot.

You see the difference now?

... No. That's literally exactly how the CRM was spoken of when it was happening.

And friend. That's not what racism is. Racism isn't "YEAH I HATE BLACKS, I DON'T CARE IF I'M WRONG".

Racism is always justified as not it. Racism isn't racism to racists, it's just being right.

"Blacks just commit crimes, leech off of unemployment, and when people force them to work, they just go out and riot until they get what they want, they're violent Communist savages and we must protect ourselves from them."

That is LITERALLY how Nixon and saw them, and it's why he targeted them so much. We BARELY scraped by with the Civil Rights Act. And guess what. It WASN'T ENOUGH. It was GUTTED partially in the end.

The fuck? That's not my quote at all. That's some malicious shit you're trying to pull.

[Radiatia]

I don't understand why Blue Lives Matter goes on and on about the police.

The real issue is the lack of representation of and discrimination against blue-skinned people. You never see them in the media, except for one Eiffel 65 music video in 1999 and maybe the odd Star Trek episode.

And they've clearly been victims of genocide, hence you never see them.

Police have nothing to do with it. It's the worst form of hi-jacking a movement.

[The Rich Port]

... No. That's literally exactly how the CRM was spoken of when it was happening.

And friend. That's not what racism is. Racism isn't "YEAH I HATE BLACKS, I DON'T CARE IF I'M WRONG".

Racism is always justified as not it. Racism isn't racism to racists, it's just being right.

"Blacks just commit crimes, leech off of unemployment, and when people force them to work, they just go out and riot until they get what they want, they're violent Communist savages and we must protect ourselves from them."

That is LITERALLY how Nixon and saw them, and it's why he targeted them so much. We BARELY scraped by with the Civil Rights Act. And guess what. It WASN'T ENOUGH. It was GUTTED partially in the end.

The fuck? That's not my quote at all. That's some malicious shit you're trying to pull.

... I edited it to prove a point.

[American Legionaries]

... No. That's literally exactly how the CRM was spoken of when it was happening.

And friend. That's not what racism is. Racism isn't "YEAH I HATE BLACKS, I DON'T CARE IF I'M WRONG".

Racism is always justified as not it. Racism isn't racism to racists, it's just being right.

"Blacks just commit crimes, leech off of unemployment, and when people force them to work, they just go out and riot until they get what they want, they're violent Communist savages and we must protect ourselves from them."

That is LITERALLY how Nixon and saw them, and it's why he targeted them so much. We BARELY scraped by with the Civil Rights Act. And guess what. It WASN'T ENOUGH. It was GUTTED partially in the end.

The fuck? That's not my quote at all. That's some malicious shit you're trying to pull.

Probably best to just report it and move on.

[Archinstinct]

The fuck? That's not my quote at all. That's some malicious shit you're trying to pull.

... I edited it to prove a point.

And you had to edit it just like that to do it?

[The Rich Port]

... I edited it to prove a point.

And you had to edit it just like that to do it?

I mean it proves my point... What you're saying about BLM is exactly what was said about the Civil Rights Movement back in the day... So... What's the issue, exactly...

[Archinstinct]

And you had to edit it just like that to do it?

I mean it proves my point... What you're saying about BLM is exactly what was said about the Civil Rights Movement back in the day... So... What's the issue, exactly...

You editing the quote. But this is better taken to the moderation forum. I'm derailing the thread enough as it is.

[The Rich Port]

I mean it proves my point... What you're saying about BLM is exactly what was said about the Civil Rights Movement back in the day... So... What's the issue, exactly...

You editing the quote. But this is better taken to the moderation forum. I'm derailing the thread enough as it is.

Yeah instead of missing the point, maybe address the rest of my post, I don't think you read it, tbh.

[Free Algerstonia]

And you had to edit it just like that to do it?

I mean it proves my point... What you're saying about BLM is exactly what was said about the Civil Rights Movement back in the day... So... What's the issue, exactly...

people said "trust the science" during the plague when people began drinking mercury to cure themselves which ended up killing them faster... so certainly, covid-19 vaccines kill faster, no? and all the people that say "trust the science" when it comes to vaccines and masks should also be immediately discredited. quit creating strawmen.

[The Rich Port]

I mean it proves my point... What you're saying about BLM is exactly what was said about the Civil Rights Movement back in the day... So... What's the issue, exactly...

people said "trust the science" during the plague when people began drinking mercury to cure themselves which ended up killing them faster... so certainly, covid-19 vaccines kill faster, no? and all the people that say "trust the science" when it comes to vaccines and masks should also be immediately discredited. quit creating strawmen.

... How is drinking mercury scientifically accurate.

[Free Algerstonia]

people said "trust the science" during the plague when people began drinking mercury to cure themselves which ended up killing them faster... so certainly, covid-19 vaccines kill faster, no? and all the people that say "trust the science" when it comes to vaccines and masks should also be immediately discredited. quit creating strawmen.

... How is drinking mercury scientifically accurate.

ask people alive during the black death. science worked differently back then. you are missing my point anyways.

[The Rich Port]

... How is drinking mercury scientifically accurate.

ask people alive during the black death. science worked differently back then. you are missing my point anyways.

What is your point...? That... Racists aren't... Scientifically... Accurate?

[Free Algerstonia]

ask people alive during the black death. science worked differently back then. you are missing my point anyways.

What is your point...? That... Racists aren't... Scientifically... Accurate?

no, it's that you should not create strawmen by comparing responses to two different times.

[Necroghastia]

What is your point...? That... Racists aren't... Scientifically... Accurate?

no, it's that you should not create strawmen by comparing responses to two different times.

We shouldn't compare responses to the same thing at two different times? I feel like there's a lot of studies in a lot of fields that would get invalidated then.

[Space Squid]

What is your point...? That... Racists aren't... Scientifically... Accurate?

no, it's that you should not create strawmen by comparing responses to two different times.

Pointing out that the response was identical at both times is neither of those things.