Teaching about history and airbrushing - when not OK?

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

At this point I'd rather homeschool my kids.

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

[Ayytaly]

At this point I'd rather homeschool my kids.

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

>new perspective

>conservative

Is that why many liberal cities want to scrap Gifted and Talented programs?

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

>new perspective

>conservative

Is that why many liberal cities want to scrap Gifted and Talented programs?

Strawmanning moment
What does this have to do with what we are talking about?

[Vassenor]

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

>new perspective

>conservative

Is that why many liberal cities want to scrap Gifted and Talented programs?

Gifted and Talented programs are bullshit that just saddle kids with massive self esteem issues, but they don't have a lot to do with sanitising the teaching of history to appease pressure groups.

[Antibox]

At this point I'd rather homeschool my kids.

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

Public education is no less indoctrination than homeschooling, either way the kiddos are getting some BS crammed into their heads. I'd still rather kids be educated by their families though tbh.

[Vassenor]

Homeschooling is just a funny word for "home indoctrination".
Schools are beginning to allow new perspectives on issues, you probably want to make your children ignore said issues. Classic Conservative Logic.

Public education is no less indoctrination than homeschooling, either way the kiddos are getting some BS crammed into their heads. I'd still rather kids be educated by their families though tbh.

So what sort of indoctrination do we see from public education?

[Antibox]

Public education is no less indoctrination than homeschooling, either way the kiddos are getting some BS crammed into their heads. I'd still rather kids be educated by their families though tbh.

So what sort of indoctrination do we see from public education?

Public education has always designed the curriculum, especially the history taught, to exhalt the state and create an idealistic and romanticized view of the current society.

[Niarj]

Public education is no less indoctrination than homeschooling, either way the kiddos are getting some BS crammed into their heads. I'd still rather kids be educated by their families though tbh.

So what sort of indoctrination do we see from public education?

Whatever the State wants for people to believe. This is true in every nation since public education became prevalent, and there has been no exception yet. It's likely, in my opinion, that it is impossible for public education to not be indoctrination, since it will always have a bias and agenda (also an argument can be made that all education is inherently indoctrination, we just ought to indocrtinate people into believing the truth).

[Kernen]

Teaching history is a waste of time. There literally is no point to it whatsoever and therefore governments should stop wasting public resources on it. It literally serves no useful purpose.

If you want to learn about it fair enough: there are books, libraries and YouTube. But the idea government should direct its energy towards history and not other more pressing matters is a ludicrous notion.

Same with English literature.

Literature and history are lenses through which we learn the skills and underlying facts to analyze our society. The trend of anti-humanities attitudes towards education is a breeding ground for problems, and I used to be one of those STEM-only die hards.

[Existential Cats]

Back in the day - late 1990s/early 2000s, so around 1999-2002, in my high school in England, we had textbooks that gave no-holds-barred realistic descriptions of things from primary sources.

In my American school, I learned that the Civil War was caused by states' rights and that America single-handedly won WW1 for the Entente. Schools are always teaching some narrative.

In my experience, it just comes down to the teacher most of all. I had many teachers who taught the book verbatim. I had another who would bring in extratextual sources and play us music or read poetry contemporary to whatever events we were learning about. Some teachers simply care more than others.

You could argue ancient statues of emperors celebrate dictators, but equally, the other argument is, it's a sculptor's work, and a primary source, so shouldn't be destroyed.

The go-to argument in the "destruction of history" argument is always... statues... Why? Is that how people learn about history? From staring at statues? Don't get me wrong, there's clearly a lot of symbolism to toppling a statue, but if a person wants to tear down a Robert E. Lee statue, the reason isn't some conspiracy theory to throw his entire existence down the memory hole, it's because they disagree with how the statue presents the figure, since there's no such thing as a statue that presents a person in a neutral way.

If statues should be preserved by virtue of being primary works that are a part of history, neither should vacant buildings, old cars, or trees, since they have some level of artistic merit and are part of history to some degree. If we shouldn't be so pedantic as to preserve every minor article of history, then perhaps we can wave goodbye to the statue of Confederate general Brutus McLynchburg erected by the Daughters of the Confederacy in 1924.

What next, a period drama set in ancient times and no slaves in manacles, because it's "woke" to include this, even if it were historically true? Yes, I know films aren't always about historical accuracy, but it's a common thing in this sort of ancient times, or those sailors using slaves in manacles on ships etc.

The film about 300 steroid-fueled Spartans fighting degenerate, effeminate Persians in CGI explosions of gore was pretty good. Seriously, I enjoyed it because I wasn't expecting historical accuracy (that particular film was based on the comic book after all...). If it's a historical drama, the emphasis is generally more on the drama than the history, and either way, you shouldn't lean on mass media as a way of learning history.

[Thepeopl]

Learning history should be discomforting and a little depressing and appalling. History should never be sanitized. That said, if a student leaves the classroom thinking "Wow, people used to be such savages, I'm glad we're civilized people with a fair society", then you did it all wrong. One should always draw parallels to the present and one should recognize that our progeny will condemn us as savages for our ways.

i'm planning to become a history teacher and this exactly how i want to teach history. i don't want to whitewash or play down what i teach; i plan on giving people the uncomfortable truth, like it or not.

You really have to show your pupils "the wave".
About a history teacher who explains how "nazi Germany " was able to come to fruition. Very impressive.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0083316/

[Ayytaly]

So what sort of indoctrination do we see from public education?

Public education has always designed the curriculum, especially the history taught, to exhalt the state and create an idealistic and romanticized view of the current society.

And many part are omitted. Looking back now I'm disappointed that anything not related to slavery was treated as a footnote, be it the Indian Removal policies or the Chinese exclusion act.

[Union of States of America]

Taking land from natives was nothing new. The Romans did it to the tribes of Germania, who then took land from the celts, etc. not to mention, I'm pretty sure the Sioux took land from the Kiowa who took it from some other tribe before recorded history. In reality, lebensraum is not a hitler concept, it's really a human concept; hitler is just the guy who called it 'living room'. Hitler sucks nonetheless and someone should've shot him in the head... Oh wait, someone did... If only he did it at the Beer Hall Putsch like he threatened to do

[Hispida]

i'm planning to become a history teacher and this exactly how i want to teach history. i don't want to whitewash or play down what i teach; i plan on giving people the uncomfortable truth, like it or not.

You really have to show your pupils "the wave".
About a history teacher who explains how "nazi Germany " was able to come to fruition. Very impressive.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0083316/

looked it up and it would definitely be a great idea.