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Postby Vanishing_shame » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:54 am

i got this eamil and so i looked it up and its true!

what do you think about this? i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

Many parents are aware of the dangers of the public schools; few seem aware of the threats posed by the public libraries. In my opinion, the "Freedom to Read"2 statement and "Freedom to View"3 statement issued by the American Library Association (ALA) basically say, "You have no right to impose your narrow views on society, and you have no right to censor what the other citizens of your community choose to read or view. Leave us alone."

The ALA actually celebrates "Banned Books Week " each year and encourages young people to read the authors and the books that were most often challenged on moral grounds! If you find this hard to believe, please go to their web site, www.ala.org, and see it for yourself.

The children's department in the average library contains books on human sexuality that are nothing short of pornographic. Almost without exception, homosexuality and lesbianism are defended and actually promoted, often with the statement that "certain people are opposed to these lifestyles only because of their own ignorance and fear."

My local library even has a children's picture book on censorship. After describing the evils of censorship and detailing the book burnings imposed by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, the book names the censors who pose a current threat to our dearly held freedoms of press and speech: the religious fundamentalists!

As the author, Scarlett Mcnspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. TcGwire, puts it, "Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to ihey believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God."


isnt it hate speach the bolded part?

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Postby Minnas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:57 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:i got this eamil and so i looked it up and its true!

what do you think about this? i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

Many parents are aware of the dangers of the public schools; few seem aware of the threats posed by the public libraries. In my opinion, the "Freedom to Read"2 statement and "Freedom to View"3 statement issued by the American Library Association (ALA) basically say, "You have no right to impose your narrow views on society, and you have no right to censor what the other citizens of your community choose to read or view. Leave us alone."

The ALA actually celebrates "Banned Books Week " each year and encourages young people to read the authors and the books that were most often challenged on moral grounds! If you find this hard to believe, please go to their web site, http://www.ala.org, and see it for yourself.

The children's department in the average library contains books on human sexuality that are nothing short of pornographic. Almost without exception, homosexuality and lesbianism are defended and actually promoted, often with the statement that "certain people are opposed to these lifestyles only because of their own ignorance and fear."

My local library even has a children's picture book on censorship. After describing the evils of censorship and detailing the book burnings imposed by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, the book names the censors who pose a current threat to our dearly held freedoms of press and speech: the religious fundamentalists!

As the author, Scarlett Mcnspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. TcGwire, puts it, "Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to ihey believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God."


isnt it hate speach the bolded part?


I don't see that as hate speech. It's only an explanation that the author is giving about religious intolerance.
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Postby Free Soviets » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:57 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

fucking librarians and their 'freedom' and 'knowledge'. don't they know that it is only when we restrict freedom and promote ignorance that we can truly thrive?!

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Postby Vanishing_shame » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:59 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

fucking librarians and their 'freedom' and 'knowledge'. don't they know that it is only when we restrict freedom and promote ignorance that we can truly thrive?!

but they promost hate speaches. did you know that the N word is in most of the challenged books? kids today woldn't eve know that word if the librarians werent' trying to teach it to them.

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Postby Enphos » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:59 am

Tbh I don't see an issue, I don't think any authority should have the right to tell us what we can or cannot read/watch/do. Also, children should be aware of history, and censorship is a part of that.

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Postby Minnas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:59 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

fucking librarians and their 'freedom' and 'knowledge'. don't they know that it is only when we restrict freedom and promote ignorance that we can truly thrive?!

but they promost hate speaches. did you know that the N word is in most of the challenged books? kids today woldn't eve know that word if the librarians werent' trying to teach it to them.


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Postby Vanishing_shame » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:01 am

Minnas wrote:
Are you pro-censorship?

do you beleive in hate speach?

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Postby Free Soviets » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:01 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:kids today woldn't eve know that word if the librarians werent' trying to teach it to them.

haha

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Postby The Tofu Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:02 am

I don't see what the problem is here. I don't see how it hurts any children. What kind of mailing lists are you on? (I shudder to think...)

Vanishing_shame wrote:isnt it hate speach the bolded part?

Not really. It's describing fundies.

Vanishing_shame wrote:but they promost hate speaches. did you know that the N word is in most of the challenged books? kids today woldn't eve know that word if the librarians werent' trying to teach it to them.

I learned it fine without any librarians whispering it in my ear.
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Postby Minnas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:02 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:
Minnas wrote:
Are you pro-censorship?

do you beleive in hate speach?


The thing, you see, is not if I believe in it or not. The thing is that hate speech, like any other speech, is protected by the Constitution. To try and censor every single book or material shown at the library, is akin to violating the amendments.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:03 am

Not so much hate speech. More opinion, which people are entitled to.

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Postby Kirav » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:03 am

Books promoting homosexuality should be allowed.

Books opposing homosexuality should be allowed, not banned on the grounds of being "offencive".* A library's job is to provide books that express knowledge, information, opinions, and ideas, not to choose which view is the correct one.

*Within reason. Some dumbass spewing "Kill the gays!" doesn't belong in a public library.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:03 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:i got this eamil and so i looked it up and its true!

what do you think about this? i thought the library was a safe place to go but its not apparentely.

Many parents are aware of the dangers of the public schools; few seem aware of the threats posed by the public libraries. In my opinion, the "Freedom to Read"2 statement and "Freedom to View"3 statement issued by the American Library Association (ALA) basically say, "You have no right to impose your narrow views on society, and you have no right to censor what the other citizens of your community choose to read or view. Leave us alone."

The ALA actually celebrates "Banned Books Week " each year and encourages young people to read the authors and the books that were most often challenged on moral grounds! If you find this hard to believe, please go to their web site, http://www.ala.org, and see it for yourself.

The children's department in the average library contains books on human sexuality that are nothing short of pornographic. Almost without exception, homosexuality and lesbianism are defended and actually promoted, often with the statement that "certain people are opposed to these lifestyles only because of their own ignorance and fear."

My local library even has a children's picture book on censorship. After describing the evils of censorship and detailing the book burnings imposed by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, the book names the censors who pose a current threat to our dearly held freedoms of press and speech: the religious fundamentalists!

As the author, Scarlett Mcnspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. TcGwire, puts it, "Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to ihey believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God."


isnt it hate speach the bolded part?


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Nope. It isn't.

I feel safer knowing that libraries are objective and independent sources of reference and literature resistant and even mildly contemptuous of groups attempting to control what other people see and do.
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Postby Minnas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:05 am

Besides that, VS, it seems you are advocating the government taking an active role into a field that is the parents' prerrogative. If you don't want your child to repeat or believe in hateful speech, explain it to him or her why to hate based on religion, race or political ideals is bad. That is certainly not the government's job.
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Postby Sapphista » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:06 am

Everything I read in the initial post is positive. What's harmful to children is being indoctrinated by those who hate others different than themselves.

I don't understand how you think the library is unsafe.
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Postby Hamilay » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:06 am

No, but it isn't particularly coherent speech. It doesn't even get the author's name right.

As the author, Scarlett Mcnspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. TcGwire, puts it, "Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to ihey believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God."


I don't think your chain emails are particularly discussion-worthy topics.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:10 am

This email seems to be a rip from this article, specifically the "Assaulted in the Library" section. Some of it has been copy/pasted badly. The paragraph you highlighted, actually. It should read:
As the author, Scarlett MccGwire, puts it, “Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to inspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. They believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God.”4


Is that hate speech? No.

Also, the last paragraph of that section has been cut. In full it reads:
Many parents are aware of the dangers of the public schools; few seem aware of the threats posed by the public libraries. In my opinion, the “Freedom to Read”2 statement and “Freedom to View”3 statement issued by the American Library Association (ALA) basically say, “You have no right to impose your narrow views on society, and you have no right to censor what the other citizens of your community choose to read or view. Leave us alone.”

The ALA actually celebrates “Banned Books Week ” each year and encourages young people to read the authors and the books that were most often challenged on moral grounds! If you find this hard to believe, please go to their web site, http://www.ala.org, and see it for yourself.

The children’s department in the average library contains books on human sexuality that are nothing short of pornographic. Almost without exception, homosexuality and lesbianism are defended and actually promoted, often with the statement that “certain people are opposed to these lifestyles only because of their own ignorance and fear.”

My local library even has a children’s picture book on censorship. After describing the evils of censorship and detailing the book burnings imposed by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, the book names the censors who pose a current threat to our dearly held freedoms of press and speech: the religious fundamentalists!

As the author, Scarlett MccGwire, puts it, “Throughout the [twentieth] century, religious matters have continued to inspire firmly held views, and fundamentalists have sought to silence the opposition. Fundamentalists are, by definition, intolerant of other views. Their lives are dominated by their religion. They believe that their religion is the only religion and that they are the only true followers of God.”4

As educators and parents, we must protect our children from the dangers posed by the public library system. In some areas of the country, private libraries are springing up to provide families with wholesome, God-honoring reading material. Someone must take responsibility for guarding the gates.

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Postby Nineteen Halves » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:11 am

The entire OP could be discounted after
"Many parents are aware of the dangers of the public schools..."
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Postby Treznor » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:12 am

To put it succinctly: no.

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Postby Pantera » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:16 am

I've seen lists of Banned Books that included Flowers for Algernon and Huckleberry Finn. HAH! What the fuck people? Flowers for Algernon? While it's a strange little story, I don't really see anything questionable in it. It's damn sure no Mein Kampf (which is also available at most public libraries, from what I've seen).

ALA gets a thumbs up from me for telling censors to cram it in their asses.

Libraries can, however, be grounds for perverts and weirdo's who jerkoff at the public web terminals. I remember some sort of Dateline or something where they caught this guy rocking the porn and stroking himself and then the reporter pretty much chased the guy out of the library and down the street a mile or two, heckling him for being a pervert. Hahahahahaa. So, if there's a reason to fear libraries, it's for the public masturbators and creepy old ladies handing out 'Queers Burn in HELL' tracts. Not books on homosexuality, for or against.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:17 am

ARGH! *looks at OP* ARGH AGAIN! *looks at OP* ARGH THREE TIMES OVER!
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Postby Minnas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:18 am

Desperate Measures wrote:ARGH! *looks at OP* ARGH AGAIN! *looks at OP* ARGH THREE TIMES OVER!

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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:18 am

Vanishing_shame wrote:isnt it hate speach the bolded part?

Nope, sorry. The author of that (maimed) part is expressing an opinion about why fundies try to ban books. No different than the "hate" in the opinions of the author of the rest of the chain letter. In fact, probably better: "nothing short of pornographic", "almost w/o exception", and "often with" an unattributed quotation? My! What a nice collection of weasel-words and innuendo!
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:25 am

Pantera wrote:creepy old ladies handing out 'Queers Burn in HELL' tracts.


Ehh, that's fine, so long as they let anyone else hand out their own leaflets as well.
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Postby New Limacon » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:25 am

Pantera wrote:I've seen lists of Banned Books that included Flowers for Algernon and Huckleberry Finn. HAH! What the fuck people? Flowers for Algernon? While it's a strange little story, I don't really see anything questionable in it. It's damn sure no Mein Kampf (which is also available at most public libraries, from what I've seen).

They might be trying to ban the novel the author wrote after the short story, which I think contains sexual material, language, behavior...I don't know, I haven't read it, but there's something sexual.
And actually, most attempts at censoring books in schools or libraries seem to be in that vein. It's less often a attempt to quelch dangerous political ideas, and more often an attempt to ban books that are...icky. Like Captain Underpants.
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