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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:37 pm

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we’re not talking about right now, we’re talking about 2020. if we had actually done anything in 2020, we might’ve been able to avoid the worst of this flaming shitstorm. but apparently even that is radical and a pipe dream because it would’ve meant giving up on going to justin bieber concerts.


what should we have done in 2020?


lockdown harder and faster. start mask mandates earlier. push vaccination. promote hygiene. educate the public.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:38 pm

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what should we have done in 2020?


lockdown harder and faster. start mask mandates earlier. push vaccination. promote hygiene. educate the public.


How much harder did you want? Banning people from even leaving their house?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:38 pm

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did you not read a word I said? yes, it’s evolving that way. so in the meantime, we should try not killing another million people. what part of this is hard to understand?


Another lockdown is not going to happen nor will there be anymore closures. Its simply not worth the economic damage and even more rapid inflation it would cause but you don't want to acknowledge this part.


Remember, letting a deadly virus spread unchecked does not cause economic damage. :roll:
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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lockdown harder and faster. start mask mandates earlier. push vaccination. promote hygiene. educate the public.


How much harder did you want? Banning people from even leaving their house?


How much more death do you want?
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Postby Adamede » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:39 pm

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Adamede wrote:Why do you want people to die?


What does this have to do with what I said? All viruses mutate. This is beyond dispute.

This goes way beyond that and has more to do with your hatred of any measures to combat a lethal pandemic thats already killed millions of people.

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Postby Kannap » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:41 pm

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the less people have covid, the less variants there are, the less chance one breaks through the vaccine.

you’re now resorting to the tactic where something either happens or it doesn’t. covid is either gone or everywhere. a solution either works or it doesn’t. that’s not how the world works. we don’t live in a black-and-white reality.


You want eradication which cannot be done. You want entire industries restructured or too disappear. You want events like pride to go away. You want people to give up their livelihoods and hobbies over one virus.

and you call me extreme?


How does wearing masks make any of these things happen?
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Postby Untecna » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:41 pm

What if Lumen just wants to avoid protection measures so he can have his dream of being Thanos? /s
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:44 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How much harder did you want? Banning people from even leaving their house?


How much more death do you want?


Apparently more then a million.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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the less people have covid, the less variants there are, the less chance one breaks through the vaccine.

you’re now resorting to the tactic where something either happens or it doesn’t. covid is either gone or everywhere. a solution either works or it doesn’t. that’s not how the world works. we don’t live in a black-and-white reality.


You want eradication which cannot be done. You want entire industries restructured or too disappear. You want events like pride to go away. You want people to give up their livelihoods and hobbies over one virus.

and you call me extreme?


Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.
Last edited by The Black Forrest on Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You want eradication which cannot be done. You want entire industries restructured or too disappear. You want events like pride to go away. You want people to give up their livelihoods and hobbies over one virus.

and you call me extreme?


Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.



Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?
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Postby Untecna » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.



Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?

How is it segregation?
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.



Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?

Do you genuinely need us to explain to you why race is different than medical status?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.



Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?


So how does one choose to be black?
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:

Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?


So how does one choose to be black?

I remember when I came of age and decided to bleach my skin..
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:

Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?


So how does one choose to be black?


They don’t. There is also no reason for vaccine passport to be a part of society. Maybe it had justification a few months ago but there is no reason for it now.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does one choose to be black?


They don’t. There is also no reason for vaccine passport to be a part of society. Maybe it had justification a few months ago but there is no reason for it now.


why not?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:59 pm

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They don’t. There is also no reason for vaccine passport to be a part of society. Maybe it had justification a few months ago but there is no reason for it now.


why not?


Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Eradication can happen. Your way will make sure it never happens.

Industries are restructuring. Companies are learning the workerbees can actually do things and not be in a cube. What industry has died so far?

Pride doesn’t have to go away. Vaccine passports. No vaccine; no entry. If found inside without one, immediate ejection and a fine…a fine that hurts.

People are working from home and hobbies can be put on the shelf till covid goes endemic……oh yea…you don’t know what that means…..

I have outdoor hobbies and I gave them up…funny thing?…I found ones that don’t need to be outside.



Why is Jim Crow wrong but a segregated society over one vaccine is not?


One was intentional segregation and the other is people choosing to be segregated.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
why not?


Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?

Medical status is already a vital part of one's ability to be part of society.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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why not?


Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?


because the flu is less dangerous. if there was an ebola outbreak, would you use the same logic?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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So how does one choose to be black?


They don’t. There is also no reason for vaccine passport to be a part of society. Maybe it had justification a few months ago but there is no reason for it now.


So you admit that Jim Crow and Vaccine Passports are a false equivalence given that one is discrimination for a factor the target has no control over, whereas remaining unvaccinated is by and large a choice?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
why not?


Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?


In the middle of a pandemic, yes it is the basis for someone to take part.
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
why not?


Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?


Have you seen the length of the list of vaccines you need to have had to go to school in the US?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:02 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Medical treatment should not be a basis for someone’s ability to be a part of society. Why not add the flu vaccine or any other vaccine to the list?


because the flu is less dangerous. if there was an ebola outbreak, would you use the same logic?

Ebola isn’t airborne.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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because the flu is less dangerous. if there was an ebola outbreak, would you use the same logic?

Ebola isn’t airborne.


And?

You are the one wailing about social events; Ebola can be transmitted through sweat and saliva.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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