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Ifreann wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
To be fair, China does allow places like wet markets to continue to exist, despite knowing they are petridishes for new diseases.
In that sense they did indeed create it. No lab needed.

That hardly constitutes creating a disease.

But they are creating diseases. The Chinese government, the Russian government, the US government, they all create diseases. For well-intentioned purposes? In many cases, sure, testing antivirals or what not. There are also bioweapons, if you don't think every great power and tinpot dictatorship has them then I got a bridge to sell you.

Covid probably came from nature. But if that weren't the case, do you think anyone would ever admit it?

Anyway, it is a fact that the Chinese government suppressed information about the virus in the opening weeks of the pandemic, that they silenced scientists who warned people to prepare for it. So I say they owe the planet some reparations. (Not like we'll ever get them, you can't make superpowers with nukes pay reparations, but it's just the principle of the matter.)

The Alma Mater wrote:

Ifreann wrote:That hardly constitutes creating a disease.

Why not ? IMO creating the ideal circumstances for diseases to develop and doing nothing to stop that at the very least counts as *helping* to create them.
I have similar views about people (especially farmers) who do not finish treatments with anti-biotics "because they do not believe in evolution".

Because creating diseases is a thing that happens in labs, on purpose, and is not the same as failing to prevent the natural emergence of a new disease.

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Page wrote:

Ifreann wrote:That hardly constitutes creating a disease.

But they are creating diseases. The Chinese government, the Russian government, the US government, they all create diseases. For well-intentioned purposes? In many cases, sure, testing antivirals or what not. There are also bioweapons, if you don't think every great power and tinpot dictatorship has them then I got a bridge to sell you.

Doesn't feel very plausible to suggest that poor countries whose limited wealth is going to gilded palaces for their dictator would be very able to operate secret bioweapons labs. Feels like at the very least they would be unable to keep that a secret for very long. We'd probably be seeing smallpox outbreaks every other week or something if this was actually common.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Picairn wrote:I thought the lab leak theory fizzled out like months ago.

To be fair, China does allow places like wet markets to continue to exist, despite knowing they are petridishes for new diseases.
In that sense they did indeed create it. No lab needed.

The sad part is that I don't think we will focus on global problems like deforestation and agricultural biosecurity as much as we should after all of this is said and done.

We'd rather argue about bioweapon conspiracy theories and such...

Antipatros wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
To be fair, China does allow places like wet markets to continue to exist, despite knowing they are petridishes for new diseases.
In that sense they did indeed create it. No lab needed.

The sad part is that I don't think we will focus on global problems like deforestation and agricultural biosecurity as much as we should after all of this is said and done.

We'd rather argue about bioweapon conspiracy theories and such...

I think the problem is that some people refuse to accept that these sorts of things can just happen without any human intervention involved. So it can't have evolved in the wet market, it must have been deliberately created by someone.

Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

Masks on public transportation should be mandatory.

Also, diseases don't care about elections.

SCOTUS sides against a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve who refuses to get the COVID vaccine on religious grounds and asked the court for an injunction that would force the Air Force to transfer him to a new unit of his choice (6-3)


Dissenting
Thomas
Gorsuch
Alito

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

I am shocked, SHOCKED I say that a trump judge would throw out mask mandates.

Why should Biden care about placating stupid hateful people?

Kowani wrote:SCOTUS sides against a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve who refuses to get the COVID vaccine on religious grounds and asked the court for an injunction that would force the Air Force to transfer him to a new unit of his choice (6-3)


Dissenting
Thomas
Gorsuch
Alito

Good. Getting a vaccine is not a religious ritual as he so claimed.

Page wrote:

Ifreann wrote:That hardly constitutes creating a disease.

But they are creating diseases. The Chinese government, the Russian government, the US government, they all create diseases. For well-intentioned purposes? In many cases, sure, testing antivirals or what not. There are also bioweapons, if you don't think every great power and tinpot dictatorship has them then I got a bridge to sell you.

Nice Conspiracy theory.

The three you mentioned do look into diseases to see if they can be modified into a bioweapon.

Still how does that tie into covid?

Covid probably came from nature. But if that weren't the case, do you think anyone would ever admit it?

Heh. Lord Stark is correct. Everything before “but” is horseshit. Speculation doesn’t make it true.

Anyway, it is a fact that the Chinese government suppressed information about the virus in the opening weeks of the pandemic, that they silenced scientists who warned people to prepare for it. So I say they owe the planet some reparations. (Not like we'll ever get them, you can't make superpowers with nukes pay reparations, but it's just the principle of the matter.)

Can you explain why the Chinese government would consider hiding information? What about those guys we had working with their people?

Conspiracy theories are fun.

Even with your example; why would admit or share information if you are going to be punished?

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

i'd like to just note that when Trump nominated her to the federal judiciary, Kathryn Kimball Mizelle had never tried a case as lead or co-counsel since her admission to the bar. She spent 10 months at a firm and 3 years in government practice. The ABA rated her Not Qualified. Senate Republicans said she was fine because she'd clerked for conservative judges and waved her through.

Since she's 35, this woman will probably still be issuing decisions in the 2070's.

Kowani wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

i'd like to just note that when Trump nominated her to the federal judiciary, Kathryn Kimball Mizelle had never tried a case as lead or co-counsel since her admission to the bar. She spent 10 months at a firm and 3 years in government practice. The ABA rated her Not Qualified. Senate Republicans said she was fine because she'd clerked for conservative judges and waved her through.

Since she's 35, this woman will probably still be issuing decisions in the 2070's.

vomit vomit VOMIT vomit vomit

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

this is probably the most idiotic court ruling ever. if the CDC doesn’t have the authority to make mandates, what is even the point of the CDC? to give friendly suggestions?

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

this is probably the most idiotic court ruling ever. if the CDC doesn’t have the authority to make mandates, what is even the point of the CDC? to give friendly suggestions?

I mean we are talking about a Trump appointee who was declared unqualified by the Bar.

Kowani wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

i'd like to just note that when Trump nominated her to the federal judiciary, Kathryn Kimball Mizelle had never tried a case as lead or co-counsel since her admission to the bar. She spent 10 months at a firm and 3 years in government practice. The ABA rated her Not Qualified. Senate Republicans said she was fine because she'd clerked for conservative judges and waved her through.

Since she's 35, this woman will probably still be issuing decisions in the 2070's.

Can't USSC Justices be impeached?

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:Judge Throws Out Federal Mask Mandate for Public Transportation

Shits about to get interesting. If Biden wants to mitigate the inevitable loss of seats in Congress, he better not fight it.

this is probably the most idiotic court ruling ever. if the CDC doesn’t have the authority to make mandates, what is even the point of the CDC? to give friendly suggestions?

Isn't that exactly how conservatives want government to work? No laws, no restrictions, no regulations, just "friendly suggestions" that they're free to ignore at a whim, no matter how much suffering doing so causes.

Except, of course, when it comes to making life worse for minorities, giving themselves the freedom to fuck over workers and the environment, etc. They want stuff like that enshrined in law to the greatest possible degree.

Tinhampton wrote:

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:April 18th deadline for renewal of transit mask mandate approaches

I would not bet any amount of money on the deadline not being extended

...yeah, so that kind of happened

Celritannia wrote:

Kowani wrote:i'd like to just note that when Trump nominated her to the federal judiciary, Kathryn Kimball Mizelle had never tried a case as lead or co-counsel since her admission to the bar. She spent 10 months at a firm and 3 years in government practice. The ABA rated her Not Qualified. Senate Republicans said she was fine because she'd clerked for conservative judges and waved her through.

Since she's 35, this woman will probably still be issuing decisions in the 2070's.

Can't USSC Justices be impeached?

Yes federal judges can and have been impeached. To impeach because you don’t like their rulings is an extremely dangerous door to open.

San Lumen wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Can't USSC Justices be impeached?

Yes federal judges can and have been impeached. To impeach because you don’t like their rulings is an extremely dangerous door to open.

Just as much as keeping one because you like the rulings. But hey lets review:

* Trump Nominated.
* Never tried a case as lead counsel
* Never tried a case as co-counsel.
* Ten years at firm and three years in government.
* ABA rated her as not qualified.
* Republican qualification requirement was only she clerked for conservative judges.

Sounds like impeachment would be warranted.

San Lumen wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
Can't USSC Justices be impeached?

Yes federal judges can and have been impeached. To impeach because you don’t like their rulings is an extremely dangerous door to open.

The fact this judge is heavily unqualified is why she should be impeached, nothing else.

So you like these Trump-appointed judges? That's unlike you.

The Black Forrest wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Yes federal judges can and have been impeached. To impeach because you don’t like their rulings is an extremely dangerous door to open.

Just as much as keeping one because you like the rulings. But hey lets review:

* Trump Nominated.
* Never tried a case as lead counsel
* Never tried a case as co-counsel.
* Ten years at firm and three years in government.
* ABA rated her as not qualified.
* Republican qualification requirement was only she clerked for conservative judges.

Sounds like impeachment would be warranted.

So we're going to impeach people for not having qualifications they weren't legally required to have in the first place?

And if with judges, then elected legislators too?

Page wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Just as much as keeping one because you like the rulings. But hey lets review:

* Trump Nominated.
* Never tried a case as lead counsel
* Never tried a case as co-counsel.
* Ten years at firm and three years in government.
* ABA rated her as not qualified.
* Republican qualification requirement was only she clerked for conservative judges.

Sounds like impeachment would be warranted.

So we're going to impeach people for not having qualifications they weren't legally required to have in the first place?

And if with judges, then elected legislators too?

Perhaps some of these qualifications should be legally required.

Page wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Just as much as keeping one because you like the rulings. But hey lets review:

* Trump Nominated.
* Never tried a case as lead counsel
* Never tried a case as co-counsel.
* Ten years at firm and three years in government.
* ABA rated her as not qualified.
* Republican qualification requirement was only she clerked for conservative judges.

Sounds like impeachment would be warranted.

So we're going to impeach people for not having qualifications they weren't legally required to have in the first place?

And if with judges, then elected legislators too?

Judges really should be qualified in their field.

Celritannia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Yes federal judges can and have been impeached. To impeach because you don’t like their rulings is an extremely dangerous door to open.

The fact this judge is heavily unqualified is why she should be impeached, nothing else.

So you like these Trump-appointed judges? That's unlike you.

That is just a rating given. It has no legal standing. You can’t impeach someone for not having qualifications they were never required to have.

San Lumen wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
The fact this judge is heavily unqualified is why she should be impeached, nothing else.

So you like these Trump-appointed judges? That's unlike you.

That is just a rating given. It has no legal standing. You can’t impeach someone for not having qualifications they were never required to have.

So would you hire someone for a job who doesn't even meet the Person Specification?