Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[The North Polish Union]

You do know we are typing in the Latin Alphabet right?



Because it would be possibly the clearest "We want Europe" signal they could send.

Nothing says "We want Europe" like abandoning your own cultural identity. Maybe they'll drop their language in favour of English while they're at it.

Ukrainian Latin alphabet has been in use for centuries

[Ifreann]

Nothing says "We want Europe" like abandoning your own cultural identity. Maybe they'll drop their language in favour of English while they're at it.

Ukrainian Latin alphabet has been in use for centuries

The Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet has been in use for centuries.

[The North Polish Union]

Ukrainian Latin alphabet has been in use for centuries

The Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet has been in use for centuries.

Yes but its hard to say that a switch to Latin alphabet would be "abandoning your own cultural identity"

[Thermodolia]

I wonder if Ukraine will switch to the Latin Alphabet after this war to distance it's self from Russia.

Bulgaria and North Macedonia both use Cyrillic

[Ifreann]

The Ukrainian Cyrillic alphabet has been in use for centuries.

Yes but its hard to say that a switch to Latin alphabet would be "abandoning your own cultural identity"

Giving up their alphabet because foreigners think it's too Russian would be.

[The North Polish Union]

Yes but its hard to say that a switch to Latin alphabet would be "abandoning your own cultural identity"

Giving up their alphabet because foreigners think it's too Russian would be.

I don't see an indication that's the case in Thomasi's post to which you were replying. It leaves ambiguous whether its foreigners or Ukrainians who would be wishing to further distance Ukraine from Russia.

[Ifreann]

Giving up their alphabet because foreigners think it's too Russian would be.

I don't see an indication that's the case in Thomasi's post to which you were replying. It leaves ambiguous whether its foreigners or Ukrainians who would be wishing to further distance Ukraine from Russia.

Given that Thomasi is American and originating this idea I believe it is foreigners who think Ukraine should abandon their alphabet to seem less Russian.

[Vistulange]

Bulgaria is in the EU and uses the Cyrillic script.

So why would they need to change to the Latin one?

Note I'm saying they should or shouldn't I was posting a question.

It's just Cyrilic is currently seen as the "Russian" Alphabet. So I was wondering it we will see that become a political hot topic in a few years in Ukraine.

Correction: You see Cyrillic as the "Russian" alphabet. I wouldn't voice this particular opinion in, say, Varna or Sofia.

[Antipatros]

Russia cuts gas flows further as Europe makes savings plea

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Russia cuts gas flows further as Europe makes savings plea

isnt the kremlin cutting off its nose to spite its face here with all these gas cuts lol

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think it's totally confirmed yet but there's quite a few pictures floating around now of the Antanovskii Bridge in Kherson having taken serious damage from a Ukrainian strike. It's pretty vital for the Russians to keep the city supplied so if it's no longer usable that's bad news for them.

[Antipatros]

Russia cuts gas flows further as Europe makes savings plea

isnt the kremlin cutting off its nose to spite its face here with all these gas cuts lol

A little bit, yeah.

Since they're the ones doing the cuts, they're in control of how much pain they want to take/dish out.

[Antipatros]

More energy related news:

Analysis: U.S. LNG exports to Europe on track to surpass Biden promise
U.S. liquefied natural gas exports to Europe increased during the first 4 months of 2022
Europe imported record amounts of liquefied natural gas in 2022
The United States became the world’s largest LNG exporter in the first half of 2022

The US-Europe LNG trade seems to be cemented pretty firmly in place now.

The fire/explosion at and subsequent closure of Freeport's LNG terminal (the second largest in the country) has put a snag in things, though. They expect exports to resume sometime in October.

[Thomasi]

Russia cuts gas flows further as Europe makes savings plea

Time to switch to nuclear energy. Also hopefully they will work on making cars run on water too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't think it's totally confirmed yet but there's quite a few pictures floating around now of the Antanovskii Bridge in Kherson having taken serious damage from a Ukrainian strike. It's pretty vital for the Russians to keep the city supplied so if it's no longer usable that's bad news for them.

This is allegedly video footage of the bridge now, seems like a decent amount of damage at the moment. Bridge floor is torn open in multiple places with lots of exposed rebar etc

edit: sfw by the way, no gore or anything

[Perikuresu]

Does the attack on the bridges leading to Kherson symbolise the start of a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson? It sorta seems like it is?

Also according to Live UA Map, the ports of Odesa, Chornomorsk and Pivdenny have resumed operations

[Leocardia]

That was the one mistake that the UN did. Switch to Communist China as the sole power of China and give the UNSC seat to them.

Remember, it was the Nationalist Chinese that was the Allied Powers in WW2. The reason why the permanent UNSC members are USSR, France, UK, USA, and China was because of the truest players in WW2 that had the most contribution to Allied Powers in the European and Asian theaters.

Even though no peace treaty was signed and the Chinese civil war is still ongoing, the UNSC pretty much assumed Communist China to have won the civil war and gave legitimacy to the Communists and pretty much said, "Taiwan lost and Taiwan belongs to China."

It's pretty much like giving either the North Koreans or South Koreans full control of the entire Korean peninsula -- not how the UN recognizes that there are 2 Korea's.

The China situation is in no way similar to Korea lol. It's more like if North Korea controls the entire Peninsula and South Korea is in exile on Jeju Island. Giving the UN seat to the PRC was simply acknowledging the geopolitical reality. By 1971 it was obvious to everyone that the ROC wasn't going to reconquer mainland China anymore. Nowadays the Taiwanese are more concerned about independence than reconquista.

But it wasn't the deal of who was in control of "China" but the government.

We have two China's -- People's Republic and the Republic, and it was the Republic that was UNSC.

The fact that UN recognizes PRC and not the ROC (the one who formed UN entirely) says the UN is the decider on who wins wars and such.

[Corrian]

Russia apparently shot down one of their own helicopters

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

today, Turkish football has been deeply wounded by a disgusting racist chant. Fenerbahçe fans chanted "Vladimir Putin" in the game they lost as a Turk, I condemn these racist and inconsiderate people. I apologize to the Dynamo Kyiv players.

[Adamede]

I don't think it's totally confirmed yet but there's quite a few pictures floating around now of the Antanovskii Bridge in Kherson having taken serious damage from a Ukrainian strike. It's pretty vital for the Russians to keep the city supplied so if it's no longer usable that's bad news for them.

Yah there’s big wholes in large sections of it. Not totally destroyed but you’re not getting anything heavier than a civilian car across it, and not in large numbers.

E: From further reading it appears the bridge is fucked. O thing can cross less it risk collapsing, so it’s effectively severed.

[Punished UMN]

The China situation is in no way similar to Korea lol. It's more like if North Korea controls the entire Peninsula and South Korea is in exile on Jeju Island. Giving the UN seat to the PRC was simply acknowledging the geopolitical reality. By 1971 it was obvious to everyone that the ROC wasn't going to reconquer mainland China anymore. Nowadays the Taiwanese are more concerned about independence than reconquista.

But it wasn't the deal of who was in control of "China" but the government.

We have two China's -- People's Republic and the Republic, and it was the Republic that was UNSC.

The fact that UN recognizes PRC and not the ROC (the one who formed UN entirely) says the UN is the decider on who wins wars and such.

The UN was merely recognizing the reality that the PRC is the government of China. Taiwan could absolutely theoretically get its own separate UN seat but letting it have the seat for China when it controls a tiny fraction of China would be ridiculous.

[Khurkhogur]

Note I'm saying they should or shouldn't I was posting a question.
It's just Cyrilic is currently seen as the "Russian" Alphabet. So I was wondering it we will see that become a political hot topic in a few years in Ukraine.

Correction: You see Cyrillic as the "Russian" alphabet. I wouldn't voice this particular opinion in, say, Varna or Sofia.

I really don't think we mind.
In any case, around a year ago, a top Ukrainian official suggested making English the second official language of Ukraine (while excluding Russian).
Eastern European countries absolutely do abandon their own culture to try and butter up to the EU/the West, and I could see Ukraine phasing out Cyrillic to do that.

Yes but its hard to say that a switch to Latin alphabet would be "abandoning your own cultural identity"

It isn't. The Latin script was definitely not in common use in Ukraine except for places under Catholic cultural dominance/rule. To abandon Cyrillic would be to reject Ukraine's status and history as an Orthodox state to promote its "Europeanness" (basically showing submission to Western European civilization)

[Thomasi]

The best way we could really hinder Russia's ability to keep being an agressor would be to set up a system in North America and Europe to allow Russian women ages 18-40 to get citizenship if they marry a western man removing as much of their child baring aged woman as possible so that they face massive population decline.

[Vistulange]

The best way we could really hinder Russia's ability to keep being an agressor would be to set up a system in North America and Europe to allow Russian women ages 18-40 to get citizenship if they marry a western man removing as much of their child baring aged woman as possible so that they face massive population decline.

What?

[Fartsniffage]

The best way we could really hinder Russia's ability to keep being an agressor would be to set up a system in North America and Europe to allow Russian women ages 18-40 to get citizenship if they marry a western man removing as much of their child baring aged woman as possible so that they face massive population decline.

What?

He wants to commit genocide by population transfer.