Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[Picairn]

Apparently these are claims by Donetsk Defence Minister Igor Girkin:

This guy has a serious obsession with mobilization.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Apparently these are claims by Donetsk Defence Minister Igor Girkin:

This guy has a serious obsession with mobilization.

Not without reason. Real hard to see how Russia can hold onto its gains without it at this point tbh.

[Fourth Jellian Republic]

This guy has a serious obsession with mobilization.

Not without reason. Real hard to see how Russia can hold onto its gains without it at this point tbh.

Perhaps nuclear threats to lock in gains

[Leocardia]

UN has threatened as much, lately.

plus China who absolutely will not entertain Russia's issue unless it wants its seat questioned over Taiwan).

That was the one mistake that the UN did. Switch to Communist China as the sole power of China and give the UNSC seat to them.

Remember, it was the Nationalist Chinese that was the Allied Powers in WW2. The reason why the permanent UNSC members are USSR, France, UK, USA, and China was because of the truest players in WW2 that had the most contribution to Allied Powers in the European and Asian theaters.

Even though no peace treaty was signed and the Chinese civil war is still ongoing, the UNSC pretty much assumed Communist China to have won the civil war and gave legitimacy to the Communists and pretty much said, "Taiwan lost and Taiwan belongs to China."

It's pretty much like giving either the North Koreans or South Koreans full control of the entire Korean peninsula -- not how the UN recognizes that there are 2 Korea's.

[Fractalnavel]

With only the most casual of knowledge about this, it always seemed to me that UN general assembly (?) was about representation, and maybe recognition if it comes to that, and the security council - weren't those the original nuclear powers? The UNSC is about - global security, and its members are those who (could) have the most impact on that. Perhaps a bit outdated now. On that basis, what should the UNSC membership look like?

[Corrian]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

[Ifreann]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

It does not, in fact, beat being in the gulag.

[Thomasi]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

[b]Question for the Europeans in this thread[/b]

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

Daily reminder that England got through the Blitz while on the bones of their arse and there was no national revolution clamouring to make the bombing stop by surrendering. Despite shit like the Coventry Blitz.
2022 humans though? idk

[The Huskar Social Union]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

It does not, in fact, beat being in the gulag.

"You! Prison or Ukraine!"
"Uh, Prison please"
"Very well, put him back in Prison. You! Prison or Ukraine!"
"Prison for me too please"
"Very well... put him back in Prison too! Gona run out of cells at this rate. You! Prison or Ukraine!"
"Ukraine please. No no i mean Prison! Prison!"
"Ah ah ah! You said Ukraine first!"
"But i meant Prison!"
"Oh alright..."

[Continental Free States]

[b]Question for the Europeans in this thread[/b]

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

Daily reminder that England got through the Blitz while on the bones of their arse and there was no national revolution clamouring to make the bombing stop by surrendering. Despite shit like the Coventry Blitz.
2022 humans though? idk

Yeah, but the Great Depression was in living memory for everyone during the Blitz, they'd been in shitty situations before that and they were actively at war at the time. It's a lot harder to convince the modern European to go home cold in the winter when they're not even fighting in the war that's causing it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

I wouldn't put it past Kriegsminister Shoigu to conscript Ukrainian POW's but I presume you meant Russian conscripts.

[Ifreann]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

I wouldn't put it past Kriegsminister Shoigu to conscript Ukrainian POW's but I presume you meant Russian conscripts.

I don't think they name their ministerial positions in German.

[Fartsniffage]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

Turn the thermostat down from 21C to 18C and put on a sweater. I'll live.

[The North Polish Union]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

I am more concerned about price increases than anything else. I personally do not usually turn on heating until temperatures are below freezing and I like to do outdoor winter camping so I will be fine from the standpoint of not dying.

[The Two Jerseys]

I remember seeing a video about Russia enlisting prisoners for war and like, only a few dozen went out of thousands because most prisoners would rather be in jail for however long than go to war.

I wouldn't put it past Kriegsminister Shoigu to conscript Ukrainian POW's but I presume you meant Russian conscripts.

>recruit Ukrainian POWs to garrison the Kurils
>Ukrainian volunteers mutiny and declare the Kurils independent
>surprised Pikachu face

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

I am more concerned about price increases than anything else. I personally do not usually turn on heating until temperatures are below freezing and I like to do outdoor winter camping so I will be fine from the standpoint of not dying. :P

Heating in Uppsala comes from burning garbage iirc so... I guess we'll be magically unaffected while the Germans struggles to figure out how to cook food without nuclear power or electricity at large?

[The North Polish Union]

I am more concerned about price increases than anything else. I personally do not usually turn on heating until temperatures are below freezing and I like to do outdoor winter camping so I will be fine from the standpoint of not dying.

Heating in Uppsala comes from burning garbage iirc so... I guess we'll be magically unaffected while the Germans struggles to figure out how to cook food without nuclear power or electricity at large?

I've complained earlier in these threads that the energy situation is worsened by Germany in the past 15-20 years weaponizing the EU to heavily limit Polish and Czech coal production, as well as dismantling lots of the infrastructure in what was formerly East Germany. I'll admit that coal is not the cleanest energy, but they got rid of a huge chunk of European energy production while not offering any alternatives except to buy ever more gas from Russia. At least France utilizes nuclear. Wind farms off the coasts and solar farms in southern Europe might be great but the energy storage technology needs to improve before those can be viable on a continental scale, and Germany got ahead of themselves in forcing them on the rest of Europe to the exclusion of other options.

[Juristonia]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

Newp.
Shit sucks, my electricity and grocery bills are going through the roof, and that's not looking to improve anytime soon, but the right thing to do is the right thing to do.

[Enverstan]

Found a new song: Nyet Vladimir

[Fahran]

Perhaps nuclear threats to lock in gains

Then every European, including every Russian, would die.

Nuclear threats only work if the other side blinks. If they refuse to comply and you drop a nuke, there's a high probability Moscow, Berlin, Paris, DC, Beijing, London, Islamabad, New Delhi, Tel Aviv, etc. all go up in flames.

[Alternate Garza]

Germany never should have dropped nuclear, but it's not too late. Build those reactors, Olaf!

[Alternate Garza]

Question for the Europeans in this thread

How does the potential winter energy crisis change or affect your view on giving aid in the Ukrainian Russian war?

Newp.
Shit sucks, my electricity and grocery bills are going through the roof, and that's not looking to improve anytime soon, but the right thing to do is the right thing to do.

The government should provide emergency relief to those who are paying the price for this conflict, aka the working class, while the wealthy industrialists pocket the war profits.

[Vistulange]

The issue of whether the biggest state of a defunct nation has to apply for a new seat or can resume its old position is a contentious topic of international law, which I'll admit I don't have much knowledge of

note that Ukraine itself simply succeeded a defunct state.

I am being a little nitpicky here, but Ukraine did not quite succeed a defunct state. It is a continuation of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which was a constituent republic of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It voted to secede from the USSR on 1 December 1991, with the Belavezha Accords—where the Soviet Union/Russia declaring the dissolution of the USSR—being signed a week later.

Basically, when Ukraine declared independence, the Soviet Union was a legal entity that existed, though obviously highly dysfunctional, or even existing solely in name.

[Picairn]

That was the one mistake that the UN did. Switch to Communist China as the sole power of China and give the UNSC seat to them.

Remember, it was the Nationalist Chinese that was the Allied Powers in WW2. The reason why the permanent UNSC members are USSR, France, UK, USA, and China was because of the truest players in WW2 that had the most contribution to Allied Powers in the European and Asian theaters.

Even though no peace treaty was signed and the Chinese civil war is still ongoing, the UNSC pretty much assumed Communist China to have won the civil war and gave legitimacy to the Communists and pretty much said, "Taiwan lost and Taiwan belongs to China."

It's pretty much like giving either the North Koreans or South Koreans full control of the entire Korean peninsula -- not how the UN recognizes that there are 2 Korea's.

The China situation is in no way similar to Korea lol. It's more like if North Korea controls the entire Peninsula and South Korea is in exile on Jeju Island. Giving the UN seat to the PRC was simply acknowledging the geopolitical reality. By 1971 it was obvious to everyone that the ROC wasn't going to reconquer mainland China anymore. Nowadays the Taiwanese are more concerned about independence than reconquista.