Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[Daniel-Franklin]

The reason that I know that the Jews don't have space lasers is that Hamas hasn't been eradicated.

[Tarsonis]

It is of course public knowledge that Ukraine is the world leader in time-travel technology and thus has the capacity to use the support that they have received over the course of this war to go shoot down a civilian airliner in 2014.

This is what authoritarianism does to the mind, folks...

If they could time travel it would have been used in the war already.

...did you think he was serious?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ya know jewish people apparently have space lasers and Zelensky is Jewish so maybe they used the space lasers to go back in time to use the money to add missiles to a crappy plane

Ah yes, just target the laser to curve around the sun and go back in time and deliver a crisp cheque to the Ukrainians with instructions to use it to modify a ground attack aircraft to shoot down a passenger jet for some reason. Perfectly simple.

Honestly not even the most outlandish conspiracy theory I've heard involving Jews lmao

[Umeria]

It is of course public knowledge that Ukraine is the world leader in time-travel technology and thus has the capacity to use the support that they have received over the course of this war to go shoot down a civilian airliner in 2014.

This is what authoritarianism does to the mind, folks...

Russia's the leader in time travel technology, haven't you seen Tenet?

[Stellar Colonies]

By all accounts, Russia and Ukraine are equally matched in terms of time travel capability, so you could say they are having a temporal cold war.

Regardless, a Ukrainian refugee reunited with a family member here in California after a lengthy period:

16-year-old Ukrainian refugee goes through monthslong ordeal to be reunited with aunt in California (CBS News)

A Ukrainian-born U.S. citizen's fight to rescue her 16-year-old nephew from the war zone has finally ended, with a hug.

Maryna Seifi had been working to bring Illia Prahkin to live with her in the Bay Area since late February. His parents can't leave Odesa – Seifi's sister is a police officer, and men over 18 aren't allowed to leave – so they put the teenaged Illia on a train to the Polish border, where Seifi flew to pick him up.

That was when she said the U.S. Embassy refused to grant the teenager a visa. At the time, the U.S. had no program for Ukrainian refugees fleeing the war.

"When we went to the American Embassy, they just turned us away," she told "CBS Mornings" co-host Tony Dokoupil back in March. "America, the country of free people, and I'm a free person, cannot bring my only nephew from the war zone. That's the reality. How come?"

With no clear way for Illia to enter the U.S., Maryna said the only other option for him seemed to be crossing the Mexican border. "So, I felt like, OK, I will try."

So, a month later, Maryna's husband, Bijan, returned to Poland, then traveled with Illia through Spain, Colombia, and finally to Tijuana, Mexico, where Maryna met back up with him and begged U.S. border officials for permission to take him home with her. They refused.

Correspondent Anna Werner asked Maryna, "What was that like?"

"That was horrible. I was sad. I was worried and extremely angry. Extremely angry. Extremely. I was furious."

"Angry at?"

"The system."

Officials then separated them and sent her nephew first to a detention center, then a shelter.

"It was, like, in a jail," Illia said. "So, it's a jail, but for kids."

The 16-year-old waited for weeks, not knowing what would come next. "[They] can just do whatever you want with me because I have no documents. I'm not human here."

"You felt like you're not human? You weren't human?" asked Werner.

"Yeah, sure. I'm a prisoner."

It's not clear how many other Ukrainian refugees, both adults and minors, are still seeking entry into the U.S. Even though the Biden administration launched a fast-track program in April for those fleeing the war, some other Ukrainian minors have been sent to shelters.

"Separating children from family members can be extremely traumatic," said Melissa Adamson, an attorney with the National Center for Youth Law. "It can have short- and long-term effects for their health. For their mental health, it can be extremely traumatizing."

Adamson visited the shelter where Illia and other Ukrainian minors were held. "Just to paint another picture of the facility for you, it's very small. The facility is surrounded by a metal chain link fence. All of the doors and the windows inside have alarms on them. There's no green outdoor space."

But Illia is now finally free and safe after his long journey, to the relief of his parents, still in war-torn Odesa.

"His dad said, 'Maryna, I owe you 'til the end of my life,'" she said. "I started crying, really. It was tough. You never think that he, one day he will text things like that, saying how grateful he is for me, saving his son's life, and that he will never forget it."

Werner asked, "Do you feel like that's what you did? You saved his life?"

"Oh, absolutely. Absolutely."

While Illia is safe with his extended family in the Bay Area, there has been criticism about the Biden administration's decision to fast-track Ukrainian refugees while de-prioritizing those who wait, sometimes much longer, to cross the southern border.

[Risottia]

Well at least it's a shit dictatorship without nukes and without any serious military power.

No, the Azeri military is decent. They performed well in their recent war with Armenia (where the Bayraktar drones first showed their effectiveness, which are now being used to the same great effect against the Russians in Ukraine now).

Armenia isn't exactly a regional power, and it's a basketcase economy.

[Infected Mushroom]

It would have been spent in 2014 from another funding package.

They weren't getting this funding in 2014. They're getting it now. And it can't go back in time.

Exactly. Hence it was a different funding package.

[Risottia]

...
Do you not understand how linear time functions? ...

Well, from a non-linear, non-subjective point of view, it's more like a wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... ball.

[Picairn]

Exactly. Hence it was a different funding package.

I bet my house you have no proof but have to keep bullshitting because you can't stand Russia being criticized. Regardless the Dutch already concluded it was a Buk missile from Russian separatist-controlled territory based on the shell fragments at the crash site, and I'm inclined to believe them more than the conspiracy theories of Russian propagandists.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Exactly. Hence it was a different funding package.

I bet my house you have no proof but have to keep bullshitting because you can't stand Russia being criticized. Regardless the Dutch already concluded it was a Buk missile from Russian separatist-controlled territory based on the shell fragments at the crash site, and I'm inclined to believe them more than the conspiracy theories of Russian propagandists.

You don't even need to believe the Dutch. There's video from that very day showing a Buk unit being loaded onto a truck and hightailing it out of the Donbas. Russia did it, full stop.

[The Two Jerseys]

I bet my house you have no proof but have to keep bullshitting because you can't stand Russia being criticized. Regardless the Dutch already concluded it was a Buk missile from Russian separatist-controlled territory based on the shell fragments at the crash site, and I'm inclined to believe them more than the conspiracy theories of Russian propagandists.

You don't even need to believe the Dutch. There's video from that very day showing a Buk unit being loaded onto a truck and hightailing it out of the Donbas. Russia did it, full stop.

And the separatists were on the internet bragging about the shootdown until they realized it was an airliner.

Oh, and let's not forget the "satellite photos" proving the Ukrainians shot it down...

[Thermodolia]

It is of course public knowledge that Ukraine is the world leader in time-travel technology and thus has the capacity to use the support that they have received over the course of this war to go shoot down a civilian airliner in 2014.

This is what authoritarianism does to the mind, folks...

Russia's the leader in time travel technology, haven't you seen Tenet?

Pretty sure it’s the British. I mean the Time Lord himself has a British accent

[Page]

I know it's my fault for continuing to argue with tankies rather than walk away but holy fuck these Putin simps...

Never in my life would I have bet on so many self-proclaimed leftists stanning for an ultra-capitalist far-right imperialist power invading a much smaller country and indiscriminately murdering civilians.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Because the Su-25 is a ground attack aircraft and MH-17 was flying way higher than the maximum service ceiling of the Su-25. It's genuinely like saying an A-10 shot down the plane, it's nonsensical.

Couldn’t the Su-25 be equipped with special missiles/weapons that exceed its own typical maximum travel altitude?

You are discussing the horrifying deaths of hundreds of people.
Lay off the Chairman Xi, it's bad for your health.

[Corrian]

So I heard that apparently Russian ships are like backing out of Crimea, because I guess the Ukrainian's HIMARS are now being given long ranged missiles that can actually hit Crimea and probably the beloved bridge. Will they? I don't know, but it seems that Russian ships are concerned.

[Continental Free States]

So I heard that apparently Russian ships are like backing out of Crimea, because I guess the Ukrainian's HIMARS are now being given long ranged missiles that can actually hit Crimea and probably the beloved bridge. Will they? I don't know, but it seems that Russian ships are concerned.

To be fair if the Russian air defense can't beat back HIMARS in Crimea (supposedly where their air defense is the most concentrated in), the Russians might as well just stop and go home.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Perhaps Putin this year would have thought himself less capable of marching armies into a neighbouring country to commit atrocities there and try to redraw national boundaries by force if, after Russia murdered 300 European civilians during a state of peace in 2014, the European Union found it within themselves to start putting up the kind of stringent economic sanctions that we are seeing now.

[Khurkhogur]

If they could time travel it would have been used in the war already.

facts

...did you think he was serious?

he was serious
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[Corrian]

So I heard that apparently Russian ships are like backing out of Crimea, because I guess the Ukrainian's HIMARS are now being given long ranged missiles that can actually hit Crimea and probably the beloved bridge. Will they? I don't know, but it seems that Russian ships are concerned.

To be fair if the Russian air defense can't beat back HIMARS in Crimea (supposedly where their air defense is the most concentrated in), the Russians might as well just stop and go home.

If I actually see this bridge get hit I am having a freaking party.

[Senkaku]

It is of course public knowledge that Ukraine is the world leader in time-travel technology and thus has the capacity to use the support that they have received over the course of this war to go shoot down a civilian airliner in 2014.

This is what authoritarianism does to the mind, folks...

If they could time travel it would have been used in the war already.

How do you know it hasn't been? Maybe in the original timeline Kyiv was overrun within 72 hours, how would any of the rest of us be able to tell if they did it

[Fartsniffage]

So I heard that apparently Russian ships are like backing out of Crimea, because I guess the Ukrainian's HIMARS are now being given long ranged missiles that can actually hit Crimea and probably the beloved bridge. Will they? I don't know, but it seems that Russian ships are concerned.

To be fair if the Russian air defense can't beat back HIMARS in Crimea (supposedly where their air defense is the most concentrated in), the Russians might as well just stop and go home.

The bomber always gets through.

[Vistulange]

No, the Azeri military is decent. They performed well in their recent war with Armenia (where the Bayraktar drones first showed their effectiveness, which are now being used to the same great effect against the Russians in Ukraine now).

Armenia isn't exactly a regional power, and it's a basketcase economy.

I don't think that's even the point—even with a half-decent military and a "good" economy, I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to argue that Azerbaijani capacity to hold Europe hostage with their natural gas is even remotely close to that of Russia's. It's just pedantic nitpicking, all this talk.

[Ifreann]

They weren't getting this funding in 2014. They're getting it now. And it can't go back in time.

Exactly. Hence it was a different funding package.

Funding they weren't getting in 2014.

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I bet my house you have no proof but have to keep bullshitting because you can't stand Russia being criticized. Regardless the Dutch already concluded it was a Buk missile from Russian separatist-controlled territory based on the shell fragments at the crash site, and I'm inclined to believe them more than the conspiracy theories of Russian propagandists.

You don't even need to believe the Dutch. There's video from that very day showing a Buk unit being loaded onto a truck and hightailing it out of the Donbas. Russia did it, full stop.

No, see, Russia were just trying to shoot down the Ukrainian TARDIS.

[Adamede]

Don't forget that according to the Russians the Su-25s Ukraine are flying are capable of actual black magic. I mean for fucks sake these morons actually tried to say it was a UA Su-25 that shot down MH-17 lol.

Why couldn’t it be? Friendly fire can happen from time to time.

Yah doesnt change the fact that the Russians shot down MH-17.

[Adamede]

I know it's my fault for continuing to argue with tankies rather than walk away but holy fuck these Putin simps...

Never in my life would I have bet on so many self-proclaimed leftists stanning for an ultra-capitalist far-right imperialist power invading a much smaller country and indiscriminately murdering civilians.

Not the first time that the far left and far right have teamed up. Probably wont be the last.