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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:55 pm

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Shit. Russia is going to do something dumb aren’t they.

Also word is going around that an operation in Moldova May begin sometime on the 29th of April


Wouldn't be Russia, it would be Ukraine going in on Transnistria and Russia trying to bail them out. The Black Sea Fleet has been loitering near Odessa and those areas so it seems like they're ready to try a landing if Ukraine does attack, which would likely end terribly for the Russians.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:56 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Biggs could actually lose his seat over this. His district isn’t that red and is filled with people who would support this over not supporting it.

Biggs's district is like R+20 and I even think it got sored up a little during redistricting. He'll be fine.

No its not. Biggs District is R+11.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:56 pm

Tarsonis wrote:I'm bewildered that Boebert isn't on there

I guess her handlers got to her
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Postby Hrvada » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:59 pm

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Hrvada wrote:Biggs's district is like R+20 and I even think it got sored up a little during redistricting. He'll be fine.

No its not. Biggs District is R+11.

+24 according to 538, +16.4 according to Politico.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:03 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:Transnistria is getting prepared.


Oddly, although Transnistria is a contested area between Moldova, Russia, and Transnistria, politically, Transnistria has a great deal in common with Russia. Both have authoritarian governments.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:07 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Shit. Russia is going to do something dumb aren’t they.


At least it would be true to form.

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Also word is going around that an operation in Moldova May begin sometime on the 29th of April.


Russian time, that is today.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:22 pm

Hrvada wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No its not. Biggs District is R+11.

+24 according to 538, +16.4 according to Politico.

It’s currently R+11 so the idea that its currently R+20 is dead wrong.

But I’ll take politico over 538.

Anyway the area is a lot more Neocon than not.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:22 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Shit. Russia is going to do something dumb aren’t they.


At least it would be true to form.

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Also word is going around that an operation in Moldova May begin sometime on the 29th of April.


Russian time, that is today.

So expect fireworks soon I guess
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Postby Hrvada » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Hrvada wrote:+24 according to 538, +16.4 according to Politico.

It’s currently R+11 so the idea that its currently R+20 is dead wrong.

But I’ll take politico over 538.

Anyway the area is a lot more Neocon than not.

I mean, CVPI is the outlier considering every other source rates it considerably more than R+11. Biggs's district isn't flipping, especially in a red-wave year.

Regardless, to bring this back on topic, I don't think anyone necessarily cares that he voted against the lend-lease bill; most Americans have already lost interest in the war and it's not going to be a major issue in 2022. Furthermore, people more apathetic towards Ukraine are seeing considerable success in polling and are winning the support of the right people in the GOP, J.D. Vance is the first example of this that comes to mind.
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Postby Kot Unduk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:33 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:Transnistria is getting prepared.


Oddly, although Transnistria is a contested area between Moldova, Russia, and Transnistria, politically, Transnistria has a great deal in common with Russia. Both have authoritarian governments.

So that's the closest thing they have according to you? Not a shared culture and language, just "authoritarian" governments?

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Postby Utquiagvik » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:34 pm

Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.
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Postby Kot Unduk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:35 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.

Unlikely.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:35 pm

Hrvada wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s currently R+11 so the idea that its currently R+20 is dead wrong.

But I’ll take politico over 538.

Anyway the area is a lot more Neocon than not.

I mean, CVPI is the outlier considering every other source rates it considerably more than R+11. Biggs's district isn't flipping, especially in a red-wave year.

Regardless, to bring this back on topic, I don't think anyone necessarily cares that he voted against the lend-lease bill; most Americans have already lost interest in the war and it's not going to be a major issue in 2022. Furthermore, people more apathetic towards Ukraine are seeing considerable success in polling and are winning the support of the right people in the GOP, J.D. Vance is the first example of this that comes to mind.

Are you from Arizona? Because I am. The people that are in Biggs district will actually care about his vote. The area is still filled with a bunch of Neocons and Mormons who hate Russia.

It very well could hurt him.

Your own “American first” ideology is probably blinding from this fact.
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Postby Port Caverton » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:36 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.

What those people really need is Uncle Sam!
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Postby Hrvada » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:37 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.

There aren't enough pro-Russian forces stationed in Transnistria to do that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:38 pm

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Utquiagvik wrote:Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.

Unlikely.

Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:39 pm

Hrvada wrote:
Utquiagvik wrote:Everybody in Chișinău and Tiraspol need to get to shelter quickly. Moldova could be invaded within the next few hours.

There aren't enough pro-Russian forces stationed in Transnistria to do that.

But there are Ukrainians who might be running into Transnistria which would lead to a Russian landing in Odesa
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Postby Kot Unduk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kot Unduk wrote:Unlikely.

Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

That would violate Moldova's sovereignty and inflame the situation.

Is this what Zelensky means by "peace"?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kot Unduk wrote:Unlikely.

Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

This is a punishment operation isnt it?
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Thermodolia wrote:Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

That would violate Moldova's sovereignty and inflame the situation.

Is this what Zelensky means by "peace"?

What Moldovan sovereignty? Last time I checked Transnistria only exists because of Russian guns.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:42 pm

Kot Unduk wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

That would violate Moldova's sovereignty and inflame the situation.

Is this what Zelensky means by "peace"?

You mean transnistria’s sovereignty right? Also from what I’ve been hearing Moldova is quite fine with Ukraine coming and removing transnistria.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:43 pm

The Russian Empire and its cheerleaders suddenly giving a fuck about Moldovan sovereignty. Now that's a laugh.
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Postby Kot Unduk » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:43 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

This is a punishment operation isnt it?
Kot Unduk wrote:That would violate Moldova's sovereignty and inflame the situation.

Is this what Zelensky means by "peace"?

What Moldovan sovereignty? Last time I checked Transnistria only exists because of Russian guns.

Last time I checked Moldova considers Transnistria a break-away region that they believe rightfully belongs to them.

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Postby Hrvada » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:44 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Hrvada wrote:I mean, CVPI is the outlier considering every other source rates it considerably more than R+11. Biggs's district isn't flipping, especially in a red-wave year.

Regardless, to bring this back on topic, I don't think anyone necessarily cares that he voted against the lend-lease bill; most Americans have already lost interest in the war and it's not going to be a major issue in 2022. Furthermore, people more apathetic towards Ukraine are seeing considerable success in polling and are winning the support of the right people in the GOP, J.D. Vance is the first example of this that comes to mind.

Are you from Arizona? Because I am. The people that are in Biggs district will actually care about his vote. The area is still filled with a bunch of Neocons and Mormons who hate Russia.

It very well could hurt him.

Your own “American first” ideology is probably blinding from this fact.

Trust me, you can't just simplify a constituency down to its lowest common denominator. If what you're saying was true, he'd have a strong Republican primary challenger—which he doesn't... The numbers show it's a rather solid Republican seat and it's not going to buck the Republican environment expected in 2022 because of one vote regarding Ukraine.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:44 pm

Kot Unduk wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Very actually. Russia, Israel, and a few other nations have told their citizens to leave immediately. In addition there’s word that a uke operation into transnistria could be happening within the hour

That would violate Moldova's sovereignty and inflame the situation.

Is this what Zelensky means by "peace"?

How nice of you to start giving a shit about sovereignty two months after Russia violated Ukraine's...
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