Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[Zapato]

Article 5 Time!!

The UK didn't invoke article 5 when Russia attacked them with chemical weapons, so I doubt a few cross words will do anything.

[Sutalia]

Article 5 Time!!

I can only wonder if anyone has concocted a meme where the "Voice of Putin" is the Mouth of Sauron.

[Gig em Aggies]

Article 5 Time!!

I can only wonder if anyone has concocted a meme where the "Voice of Putin" is the Mouth of Sauron.

no no no this snip it from Saving Private Ryan would be better suited https://youtu.be/L0sEzNQtzaE?t=104
just change the Americans to Ukrainians then change the voice of the German to Russian

[The Rich Port]

Article 5 Time!!

The Classic Russian Brap Trap.

Russia is going to threaten every country on Earth with ballistic missiles at this point.

Hey fucking Trinidad & Tobago, you're fucking oppressing Russia, missile.

Unless you fear the return and rise of Polish imperialists I'm not sure how that's offensive? It's kind of a world of difference between calling Ukraine "The Ukraine" as if it's just a geographical region instead of a country and... Calling a different place by a different pronunciation.

It's Tuuksohn vs Tooson (the English and Spanish pronunciations of Tucson, Arizona, respectively.)

Who the fuck pronounces Tucson as Tuuksohn? It’s Tooson in English and Spanish

Americans who don't know how words work, so quite a few

[Salus Maior]

Article 5 Time!!

So long as it's just words, it's better not to give them the opportunity.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The UK didn't invoke article 5 when Russia attacked them with chemical weapons, so I doubt a few cross words will do anything.

I hope not, but it might depend of [sic, on] the disposition of the PM.

[Giovenith]

Chernihiv. He means Chernihiv.

I know what he means, pal. That also does not stop him from spelling it as Czernihiv, because he's a Pole with a hard-on for that particular orthography.

Not only is it weird as fuck, and comes across as kind of disrespectful, it also means if you ever need to look up anything he's referring to, your chances of finding it are reduced for the simple reason that literally no one writes the language in this way.

It's just another language's spelling, calm down, please. This isn't the thing worth turning the conversation hostile over.

[Adamede]

Nice whataboutism, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Russian occupiers don’t belong in legal Moldovan territory.

what about when they did the exact same thing at the exact same time together because ukraine wanted to steal transnistria

The situation in Transnistria is more complex than dumb news narratives. There are less than a hundred actual Russian soldiers there, some are part of a legal peacekeeping mission, the president of Transnistria is Ukrainian himself, there's no evidence that Transnistria (which is politically dominated by the commercial interests of the Sheriff corporation with more economic ties to Ukraine and the EU than Russia) wants to get involved in some dumb war.

That's nice, lets see some sources.

[Adamede]

It's Tuuksohn vs Tooson (the English and Spanish pronunciations of Tucson, Arizona, respectively.)

No. The Anglo settlers borrowed the Spanish pronunciation.

[Picairn]

Latest developments:
- Donetsk axis update: Ukrainian troops lost ground in the city of Popasna today but managed to hold onto the northwest part of the city. Russian troops took the southeast side of the city under the cover of heavy artillery and tank bombardment. Russia controls around 50% of the city.
- Izyum axis update: Russian troops captured the towns of Levkivka, Ivanivka & Shchaslyve northwest of Izyum in the previous 2 days. Ukraine forces have withdrawn through the forest to at least the Donets River and possibly as far as Husarivka to regroup and build defenses.
- Kherson axis update: Ukrainian troops shelled the defensive positions of the Russian forces holding Kherson city. An explosive struck a TV tower and knocked out TV service in the area.
- Russia deployed Navy dolphins to guard Sevastopol and protect the ships from sabotage.
- The US has swapped convicted drug smuggler Alexei Yaroshenko for former marine Trevor Reed imprisoned by Russia on a runway in Turkey.

[Big Bad Blue]

Article 5 Time!!

More empty threats, obvious bluffs and saber rattling. He knows if NATO gets involved his pitiful military is toast.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

Article 5 Time!!

More empty threats, obvious bluffs and saber rattling. He knows if NATO gets involved his pitiful military is toast.

So true. If Putin can barely handle Ukraine (actually he can't handle them), he is dead in the water if NATO intervenes. He will have to deal with a vastly superior military that can even hit Russian military targets in his home territory.

[Dtn]

what about when they did the exact same thing at the exact same time together because ukraine wanted to steal transnistria

The situation in Transnistria is more complex than dumb news narratives. There are less than a hundred actual Russian soldiers there, some are part of a legal peacekeeping mission, the president of Transnistria is Ukrainian himself, there's no evidence that Transnistria (which is politically dominated by the commercial interests of the Sheriff corporation with more economic ties to Ukraine and the EU than Russia) wants to get involved in some dumb war.

That's nice, lets see some sources.

Source is I studied Transnistria and other frozen conflicts at Oxford so I can bill $350 an hour for citing sources rather than providing them gratis to sarcastic neets.

[Big Bad Blue]

That's nice, lets see some sources.

Source is I studied Transnistria and other frozen conflicts at Oxford so I can bill $350 an hour for citing sources rather than providing them gratis to sarcastic neets.

Wot mate, you mean the hundred or couple hundred Russian soldiers in Transnistria aren't chomping at the bit to be fed into the Ukrainian meat grinder?

[Washington Resistance Army]

the president of Transnistria is Ukrainian himself

What? Krasnoselsky, who was born in the far east of Russia and stans the Russian Empire as the ideal government and has repeatedly expressed his desire for Russia to annex Transnistria, to the point of making the Russian flag co-equal to the Transnistrian flag, is Ukrainian?

You should get your money back from Oxford, they scammed you.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

More empty threats, obvious bluffs and saber rattling. He knows if NATO gets involved his pitiful military is toast.

Putin's rhetoric parallels his practice of baring his chest.

[Farnhamia]

That's nice, lets see some sources.

Source is I studied Transnistria and other frozen conflicts at Oxford so I can bill $350 an hour for citing sources rather than providing them gratis to sarcastic neets.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Dtn]

the president of Transnistria is Ukrainian himself

What? Krasnoselsky, who was born in the far east of Russia and stans the Russian Empire as the ideal government and has repeatedly expressed his desire for Russia to annex Transnistria, to the point of making the Russian flag co-equal to the Transnistrian flag, is Ukrainian?

Yes. So was Yevgeny Shevchuk.

Is Ukrainian an ethnicity or an ideology?

[Picairn]

Source is I studied Transnistria and other frozen conflicts at Oxford so I can bill $350 an hour for citing sources rather than providing them gratis to sarcastic neets.

Charging people for asking about sources (which are likely not your own research) is kinda a dick move.

[The Rich Port]

Source is I studied Transnistria and other frozen conflicts at Oxford so I can bill $350 an hour for citing sources rather than providing them gratis to sarcastic neets.

Charging people for asking about sources (which are likely not your own research) is kinda a dick move.

It's very convenient, he gets to brag about being from Oxford and spread misinformation or outright lies and say he can't back it up because we need to pay him.

It's almost like it's probably a lie or something.

But naaaaah maybe we should just take his word for it...

[Chan Island]

What? Krasnoselsky, who was born in the far east of Russia and stans the Russian Empire as the ideal government and has repeatedly expressed his desire for Russia to annex Transnistria, to the point of making the Russian flag co-equal to the Transnistrian flag, is Ukrainian?

Yes. So was Yevgeny Shevchuk.

Is Ukrainian an ethnicity or an ideology?

It's a nationality...? What even is this question.

WRA's putting forth a fairly strong argument that Krasnoselsky isn't a Ukrainian, what's your back-up for the claim he is?

[Dtn]

Yes. So was Yevgeny Shevchuk.

Is Ukrainian an ethnicity or an ideology?

It's a nationality...? What even is this question.

The Eastern European concept of nationality is different than the Western territorial-political model.

WRA's putting forth a fairly strong argument that Krasnoselsky isn't a Ukrainian, what's your back-up for the claim he is?

https://uawire.org/media-president-of-s ... an-citizen

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/03/11/mo ... n-ukraine/

"Many prominent figures in Transnistria are ethnic Ukrainians. Krasnoselsky identifies as an ethnic Ukrainian. The head coach at Transnistria’s most prominent football club, FC. Sheriff Tiraspol, which recently attained fame by beating Real Madrid in the Champions League, has left the club to participate in the defence of Ukraine."

I don't see what's so unbelievable about it, 20-30% of people in Transnistrian are ethnic Ukrainians and about that many have Ukrainian passports. You'd think people with Ukrainian flags would know all about former parts of...Ukraine.

Charging people for asking about sources (which are likely not your own research) is kinda a dick move.

I'm hardly going to send him a bill, but I spent 12 hours researching 16-18th-century recourses against unreasonable seizures today so I'm feeing a bit dickish. I don't mind being asked for sources. Nor do I care much for people who mainly contribute smug one-liners.

[Gallia-]

Imagine projecting your own political-ideological metabeliefs so hard you think a guy who holds a Ukrainian passport and is sponsored by a mega-corporation the likes of which the Western world hasn't seen since the East India Company, that is staffed by a corporate board with multiple Ukrainian citizens on it, is somehow a Russian agent just because he happens to host an ancient ammo depot that is guarded by a few dozen Russian cops in a UN sanctioned peacekeeping mission, and that's opposed only by a bunch of rust belt Romanians who are mad they lost a civil war.

Yeowch. Peak neoliberal colonialism.

Anyway yeah I thought it was common knowledge that V. Krasnoselsky was Ukrainian? He only spent the majority of his life in Odessa and Kharkiv.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The Eastern European concept of nationality is different than the Western territorial-political model.

Yes. Nationality in Eastern Europe is not necessarily related to citizenship in a nation-state.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Possibly not related to the war but some explosions were reported in Moscow and some cars seem to have burned out.

Could just be normal arson or what have you but it felt worth passing along given all the other ongoings in Russia proper.