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Will the likely SCOTUS ruling on Dobbs v. Jackson change the dynamics of the Midterms?

Yes
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No
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A Bit of Both
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon May 09, 2022 7:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
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actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point


Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.


I'd rather not put myself in your shoes, thanks.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 09, 2022 7:34 am

Tarsonis wrote:
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Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.


Lmao you're the one desperately trying to spin it to deny having having elements on your side that do this sort of thing. It's why you brought it up in the first place Vass. I told you, don't play coy, you're not good at it.

Or, you know, there's nothing desperate about it and it's just so pathetic in its execution that it most likely is a false flag.
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Postby Kannap » Mon May 09, 2022 7:36 am

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New haven america wrote:Most don't to be like South America.

They want the US to be a more conservative version of Modern Russia.


I'm pretty sure Russia is fine with abortion. As far as I know, anyway.


Legal up to 12 weeks, with exceptions for later abortions depending on circumstances. It's not the glory days of Lenin over there anymore where abortions were legal in all circumstances.
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Postby Kannap » Mon May 09, 2022 7:41 am

Are we really relitigating the nonsense from last night? Either it was real or it wasn't, but why do any of you give a shit enough in one direction or the other to bicker about it this much?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 09, 2022 7:42 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Actually actually, the consensus was that it looks fake but who cares.


You and Vass peddling your typical nonsense does not a thread consensus make.

If you can just call things the consensus then so can I.
It was especially cringe watching you reach to more ridiculous lengths than she did to try and make it so.

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Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.


Lmao you're the one desperately trying to spin it to deny having having elements on your side that do this sort of thing. It's why you brought it up in the first place Vass. I told you, don't play coy, you're not good at it.

I get why you read it that way, it's perfectly natural for you to see people concluding that the left didn't do this vandalism as a denial that the left would ever stoop to vandalism. But if you can muster the courage to review the arguments against this having been done by leftists, it's less "The left would not do this" and more "The left would have done this better".

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Postby Forsher » Mon May 09, 2022 7:56 am

San Lumen wrote:What is wrong with you? That wouldn’t be entertaining at all. Why do you always feel the need to have the worst take possible?


Also, if you do want to see what it would look like for the purposes of being entertained, you can just watch The Handmaid's Tale. It is literally a television show that exists.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 09, 2022 8:01 am

Forsher wrote:Also, if you do want to see what it would look like for the purposes of being entertained, you can just watch The Handmaid's Tale. It is literally a television show that exists.


Hollywood lies or exxagerates. It's much better if it is real life. Then we can judge it by the merits of the outcome.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 09, 2022 8:06 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.


Lmao you're the one desperately trying to spin it to deny having having elements on your side that do this sort of thing. It's why you brought it up in the first place Vass. I told you, don't play coy, you're not good at it.


OK then I’ll be direct. What is the relevance of 1312 to abortion rights as opposed to someone trying to insert every left wing symbol they can into this?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 09, 2022 8:46 am

While we argue about some silly little office getting vandalised, up in DC they're mad about violence, threats, and vandalism at the protests outside the homes of Supreme Court Justices. That's violence, threats, and vandalism that didn't happen, but of course the Democrats have to condemn any protests that might actually be effective.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 09, 2022 8:48 am

Ifreann wrote:While we argue about some silly little office getting vandalised, up in DC they're mad about violence, threats, and vandalism at the protests outside the homes of Supreme Court Justices. That's violence, threats, and vandalism that didn't happen, but of course the Democrats have to condemn any protests that might actually be effective.


Wasn't that just Kav's neighbours showing up to tell him he was being an asshole?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 09, 2022 8:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:While we argue about some silly little office getting vandalised, up in DC they're mad about violence, threats, and vandalism at the protests outside the homes of Supreme Court Justices. That's violence, threats, and vandalism that didn't happen, but of course the Democrats have to condemn any protests that might actually be effective.


Wasn't that just Kav's neighbours showing up to tell him he was being an asshole?

I've heard his neighbours organised the protest at his place, I'd doubt that they were the only attendees.

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Postby Forsher » Mon May 09, 2022 8:57 am

Is it just me but isn't complaining about things people aren't doing just going to give some people the idea to start doing it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61382289
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am

Forsher wrote:Is it just me but isn't complaining about things people aren't doing just going to give some people the idea to start doing it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61382289


Probably

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon May 09, 2022 11:56 am

Saiwania wrote:
Forsher wrote:Also, if you do want to see what it would look like for the purposes of being entertained, you can just watch The Handmaid's Tale. It is literally a television show that exists.


Hollywood lies or exxagerates. It's much better if it is real life. Then we can judge it by the merits of the outcome.


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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Mon May 09, 2022 12:15 pm

Kannap wrote:Are we really relitigating the nonsense from last night? Either it was real or it wasn't, but why do any of you give a shit enough in one direction or the other to bicker about it this much?

Whoever turns out to be wrong about this one loses credibility. Whoever turns out to be right about this one gains credibility.

This credibility then extends to their other opinions, assumptions, and ideas.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon May 09, 2022 12:18 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Kannap wrote:Are we really relitigating the nonsense from last night? Either it was real or it wasn't, but why do any of you give a shit enough in one direction or the other to bicker about it this much?

Whoever turns out to be wrong about this one loses credibility. Whoever turns out to be right about this one gains credibility.

This credibility then extends to their other opinions, assumptions, and ideas.


I mean, why go out on a limb and make these silly claims to begin with?

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Postby Antipatros » Mon May 09, 2022 12:45 pm

McConnell says national abortion ban ‘possible’

Definitely one way to throw the midterms to the Democrats.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 09, 2022 12:49 pm

Antipatros wrote:McConnell says national abortion ban ‘possible’

Definitely one way to throw the midterms to the Democrats.


It won't. As emotionally charged as this issue is, it will still take a back seat in most voters minds(the ones that will decide races anyway) to higher crime and high inflation.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 09, 2022 12:49 pm

Antipatros wrote:McConnell says national abortion ban ‘possible’

Definitely one way to throw the midterms to the Democrats.

McConnell the muscovite shill continues to argue for killing ppl
Meanwhile do bears shit in woods?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 09, 2022 12:49 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Forsher wrote:Also, if you do want to see what it would look like for the purposes of being entertained, you can just watch The Handmaid's Tale. It is literally a television show that exists.


Hollywood lies or exxagerates. It's much better if it is real life. Then we can judge it by the merits of the outcome.


If you think something like The Handmaids tale is what we should strive for thats truly disturbing.
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Postby Hispida » Mon May 09, 2022 12:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Hollywood lies or exxagerates. It's much better if it is real life. Then we can judge it by the merits of the outcome.


If you think someone like The Handmaids tale is what we should strive for thats truly disturbing.

maybe we can fix it by running for office.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon May 09, 2022 12:55 pm

Antipatros wrote:McConnell says national abortion ban ‘possible’

Definitely one way to throw the midterms to the Democrats.


I doubt there's any committed supporters of abortion rights that aren't already voting Democratic.

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Postby Kannap » Mon May 09, 2022 12:59 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Kannap wrote:Are we really relitigating the nonsense from last night? Either it was real or it wasn't, but why do any of you give a shit enough in one direction or the other to bicker about it this much?

Whoever turns out to be wrong about this one loses credibility. Whoever turns out to be right about this one gains credibility.

This credibility then extends to their other opinions, assumptions, and ideas.


Seems like a silly way to view this when there's the far superior option of just not giving a shit.
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Postby Antipatros » Mon May 09, 2022 1:05 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Antipatros wrote:McConnell says national abortion ban ‘possible’

Definitely one way to throw the midterms to the Democrats.


I doubt there's any committed supporters of abortion rights that aren't already voting Democratic.

I think that the main impact could be increased Democratic turnout rather than moderates being swayed.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon May 09, 2022 1:06 pm

Antipatros wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I doubt there's any committed supporters of abortion rights that aren't already voting Democratic.

I think that the main impact could be increased Democratic turnout rather than moderates being swayed.


Maybe, but I doubt it.

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