American Politics XI: No Moe Roe(Likely, Anyway)

[Saiwania]

you're right, many of them openly want to create a handmaid's-tale-like dystopia

What I do know is that it'd be very entertaining to see how it plays out.

I have some ambitions to establish an "underground railroad" type of organization/business that's focused on transporting pregnant women from restrictive states to their nearest legal abortion clinic across state lines to permissive states for a small fee, whilst simultaneously pushing to have abortion be illegal or impossible to access in half of the US- in order to create a captive market for such a service, but also sharing some of the profits to local officials/politicians to look the other way.

I probably won't do anything or can't recommend it, but I think about it all the time- how this situation could be leveraged for personal gain or for being a path to wealth if this indeed is the big opportunity going forward.

[San Lumen]

you're right, many of them openly want to create a handmaid's-tale-like dystopia

What I do know is that it'd be very entertaining to see how it plays out.

I have some ambitions to establish an "underground railroad" type of organization/business that's focused on transporting pregnant women from restrictive states to their nearest legal abortion clinic across state lines to permissive states for a small fee, whilst simultaneously pushing to have abortion be illegal or impossible to access in half of the US- in order to create a captive market for such a service, but also sharing some of the profits to local officials/politicians to look the other way.

I probably won't do anything or can't recommend it, but I think about it all the time- how this situation could be leveraged for personal gain or for being a path to wealth if this indeed is the big opportunity going forward.

What is wrong with you? That wouldn’t be entertaining at all. Why do you always feel the need to have the worst take possible?

[The Jamesian Republic]

What good faith debate can there be had with the American far-right? With Qanons? With the Trumpistas?

I mean I guess you can if you are drunk or high enough.

[Saiwania]

What is wrong with you? That wouldn’t be entertaining at all. Why do you always feel the need to have the worst take possible?

Its not a bad hypothetical in my view, because surely some people are probably going to try? I did the math, and if only 1 million women were served and they each paid $2,500 to $5,000 as tuition, at least $2.5 billion would be raised. Its maximum profit potential would be up to $100 billion if there are 75 million reproductive age women in the US and if up to just half wanted an abortion at some point or another.

I'd only need to successfully get around 3,000 women the help they want before I'd be able to take the money and retire on it after taxes. Would just pass whats left still operating onto a successor who wants it, if I see a good exit strategy and feel that I got enough for the future.

[Ifreann]

What is wrong with you? That wouldn’t be entertaining at all. Why do you always feel the need to have the worst take possible?

Its not a bad hypothetical in my view, because surely some people are probably going to try? I did the math, and if only 1 million women were served and they each paid $2,500 to $5,000 as tuition, at least $2.5 billion would be raised.

I'd only need to successfully get around 3,000 women the help they want before I'd be able to take the money and retire on it after taxes. Would just pass whats left still operating onto a successor who wants it, if I see a good exit strategy and feel that I got enough for the future.

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Its not a bad hypothetical in my view, because surely some people are probably going to try? I did the math, and if only 1 million women were served and they each paid $2,500 to $5,000 as tuition, at least $2.5 billion would be raised.

I'd only need to successfully get around 3,000 women the help they want before I'd be able to take the money and retire on it after taxes. Would just pass whats left still operating onto a successor who wants it, if I see a good exit strategy and feel that I got enough for the future.

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

If we aren’t watching the police putting them in the forced labor camp with us.

[Duvniask]

you're right, many of them openly want to create a handmaid's-tale-like dystopia

What I do know is that it'd be very entertaining to see how it plays out.

I have some ambitions to establish an "underground railroad" type of organization/business that's focused on transporting pregnant women from restrictive states to their nearest legal abortion clinic across state lines to permissive states for a small fee, whilst simultaneously pushing to have abortion be illegal or impossible to access in half of the US- in order to create a captive market for such a service, but also sharing some of the profits to local officials/politicians to look the other way.

I probably won't do anything or can't recommend it, but I think about it all the time- how this situation could be leveraged for personal gain or for being a path to wealth if this indeed is the big opportunity going forward.

Profiteering off of human suffering, how very in character.

[Saiwania]

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

It depends on if they can be corrupted or not. I'm sure the pro-life politicians know they need all the donations they can get for staying in office and won't mind ignoring it if they keep getting their cut. From what I can tell, there is nothing illegal about what I want to do because people's personal travel across state lines isn't regulated. Payments from little people is called bribery whilst payments from big companies is called lobbying. Its bullshit.

But anti-abortion states are probably going to try fighting it out in the courts to get anti travel laws to stand or be considered valid. The whole business idea could be disguised as a travel agency or vacation tour but with abortion access as the real end goal.

[San Lumen]

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

It depends on if they can be corrupted or not. I'm sure the pro-life politicians know they need all the donations they can get for staying in office and won't mind ignoring it if they keep getting their cut. From what I can tell, there is nothing illegal about what I want to do because people's personal travel across state lines isn't regulated.

But anti-abortion states are probably going to try fighting it out in the courts to get anti travel laws to stand or be considered valid. The whole business idea could be disguised as a travel agency or vacation tour but with abortion access as the real end goal.

Why didn’t anyone think to make a profit off of the Underground Railroad? The answer is simple suffering of others isn’t something one should seek to make money from. It’s truly amazing to be how you always have the worst takes possible.

[Saiwania]

Why didn’t anyone think to make a profit off of the Underground Railroad? The answer is simple suffering of others isn’t something one should seek to make money from. It’s truly amazing to be how you always have the worst takes possible.

The slaves hoping to escape the slave states back then, had no money or resources. The people who helped them flee north were doing it for religious or moral reasons. The idea among many back then, was that there is a law of God, and in it- all people must be free and shouldn't/can't be owned as property.

[Ifreann]

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

It depends on if they can be corrupted or not. I'm sure the pro-life politicians know they need all the donations they can get for staying in office and won't mind ignoring it if they keep getting their cut. From what I can tell, there is nothing illegal about what I want to do because people's personal travel across state lines isn't regulated.

But anti-abortion states are probably going to try fighting it out in the courts to get anti travel laws to stand or be considered valid. The whole business idea could be disguised as a travel agency but with abortion access as the end goal.

There's no way you could do any of this without getting arrested, though. You'd try to bribe a border guard and he'd just kick the shit out of you, take all your money, and throw you in jail.

[Saiwania]

There's no way you could do any of this without getting arrested, though. You'd try to bribe a border guard and he'd just kick the shit out of you, take all your money, and throw you in jail.

How is it that during Prohibition for example, that there were some clear winners of that era who did make their fortune from bootlegging but didn't lost either their money or freedom in the long run or short term? I imagine that there will be winners and losers now like back then.

[San Lumen]

Why didn’t anyone think to make a profit off of the Underground Railroad? The answer is simple suffering of others isn’t something one should seek to make money from. It’s truly amazing to be how you always have the worst takes possible.

The slaves hoping to escape the slave states back then, had no money or resources. The people who helped them flee north were doing it for religious or moral reasons. The idea among many back then, was that there is a law of God, and in it- all people must be free and shouldn't/can't be owned as property.

It was for both yes . No one thought about profit because suffering shouldn’t be a money maker.

Yet you don’t believe in equality. You think it’s bad fora city or town to have a non white majority and that a non white person winning in a majority white area means white people can’t win there anymore.

Should we ban interracial and same sex marriage again next and some places can offer refugee and those who help them get there reap huge profits?

[The Holy Therns]

In the grim future dystopia, at least we'll get to laugh at Saiwania getting arrested by fascist goons.

It depends on if they can be corrupted or not. I'm sure the pro-life politicians know they need all the donations they can get for staying in office and won't mind ignoring it if they keep getting their cut. From what I can tell, there is nothing illegal about what I want to do because people's personal travel across state lines isn't regulated. Payments from little people is called bribery whilst payments from big companies is called lobbying. Its bullshit.

But anti-abortion states are probably going to try fighting it out in the courts to get anti travel laws to stand or be considered valid. The whole business idea could be disguised as a travel agency or vacation tour but with abortion access as the real end goal.

Doubling down in an awful idea doesn't make it a good one. Two dumbs don't make a smart.

[Galloism]

It depends on if they can be corrupted or not. I'm sure the pro-life politicians know they need all the donations they can get for staying in office and won't mind ignoring it if they keep getting their cut. From what I can tell, there is nothing illegal about what I want to do because people's personal travel across state lines isn't regulated. Payments from little people is called bribery whilst payments from big companies is called lobbying. Its bullshit.

But anti-abortion states are probably going to try fighting it out in the courts to get anti travel laws to stand or be considered valid. The whole business idea could be disguised as a travel agency or vacation tour but with abortion access as the real end goal.

Doubling down in an awful idea doesn't make it a good one. Two dumbs don't make a smart.

Even I find profiting off such a thing appalling, and I’m a tax professional.

[Dogmeat]

you're right, many of them openly want to create a handmaid's-tale-like dystopia

What I do know is that it'd be very entertaining to see how it plays out.

I have some ambitions to establish an "underground railroad" type of organization/business that's focused on transporting pregnant women from restrictive states to their nearest legal abortion clinic across state lines to permissive states for a small fee, whilst simultaneously pushing to have abortion be illegal or impossible to access in half of the US- in order to create a captive market for such a service, but also sharing some of the profits to local officials/politicians to look the other way.

I probably won't do anything or can't recommend it, but I think about it all the time- how this situation could be leveraged for personal gain or for being a path to wealth if this indeed is the big opportunity going forward.

Don't lie to yourself. You're not going to do anything.

[Ifreann]

There's no way you could do any of this without getting arrested, though. You'd try to bribe a border guard and he'd just kick the shit out of you, take all your money, and throw you in jail.

How is it that during Prohibition for example, that there were some clear winners of that era who did make their fortune from bootlegging but didn't lost either their money or freedom in the long run or short term? I imagine that there will be winners and losers now like back then.

During Prohibition, there were existing criminal organisations with personnel and resources for getting into bootlegging. You are one internet fascist. If there were a ban on interstate travel for the purposes of abortion, you do not have the ability to circumvent it. You have no gang, no money, no influence of any kind. And there would be competing services. Uber and Lyft have publicly committed to supporting any of their drivers that get in trouble with taking women to other states to get abortions. Pro-choice activists are already organising to traffic abortion pills into states that ban abortion. There are quite a few people who, whether out of genuine good will or a cynical desire for PR, are going to be helping women get abortions. What can you offer compared to them? Nothing.

[Tarsonis]

People have been protesting. And there's been protests outside Kavanaugh's house. I'm pretty sure this will be upped before the decision goes to be honest. And an anti-abortion office got molotoved too.

We already discussed that at length and it looks a whole lot like that one was staged by the alleged victims .

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

[Zurkerx]

Top leaders in the Oath Keepers are reportedly sharing with January 6 Investigators their efforts to find election fraud, communications with Trump allies. To be clear, this isn't the Jan 6th Committee but the DOJ Probe. It's the clearest sign yet that the investigation is going beyond the initial rioters. Still, the methodical case is slowly moving up although it's not clear if the highest of targets like Meadows and Trump will be targeted.

All of this comes as a growing number of Conservative Groups that perpetuated Trump’s 2020 election lie face scrutiny and lawsuits.

[Ifreann]

We already discussed that at length and it looks a whole lot like that one was staged by the alleged victims .

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

Actually actually, the consensus was that it looks fake but who cares.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/news/administration ... -caputova/

Jill Biden meets with Slovakian President Čaputová

[Vassenor]

We already discussed that at length and it looks a whole lot like that one was staged by the alleged victims .

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.

[Vassenor]

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

Actually actually, the consensus was that it looks fake but who cares.

But that would make the tiny obscure anti-abortion group not the oppressed party here and that cannot be true.

[Tarsonis]

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

Actually actually, the consensus was that it looks fake but who cares.

You and Vass peddling your typical nonsense does not a thread consensus make. It was especially cringe watching you reach to more ridiculous lengths than she did to try and make it so.

[Tarsonis]

actually, the consensus was, (on here and on Twitter mind you) the reasoning people have tried to call it a flase flag based on two photographs is dumb. Nobody here is a qualified arson investigator, much less capable enough to determine so through two photographs. You keep pushing this vapid nonsense to rile people up, not make an actual point

Imagine being so desperate to be oppressed that you need to shout down anyone who says you aren't.

Lmao you're the one desperately trying to spin it to deny having having elements on your side that do this sort of thing. It's why you brought it up in the first place Vass. I told you, don't play coy, you're not good at it.