American Politics XI: No Moe Roe(Likely, Anyway)

[New haven america]

Well, in that case it should just be dropped if there's no where to debate it.

This isn't the place to debate Christian doctrine at any rate.

I'll tell you what. If Christian doctrine is never allowed to play any role in American politics ever, then we won't talk about it here.

Besides, when someone hostile to Christianity comes into the CDT, you guys get very annoyed and say that's not the place for such discussions either.

So this is really just an attempt to constrain the discussion.

If a non-Catholic comes into the CDT they say there's no place for their opinions of beliefs in there.

[New haven america]

Most modern "Activists" are honestly kinda pathetic.

On one hand, I've been seeing so much shit the past few days about how women should be going on sex strikes or shaming men for jerking it, but what they don't understand is that that's exactly what conservatives want! They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences. You're playing right into their hands.

On the other side, tons upon tons of women are just accepting it. "Yeah, better just prepare, nothing else we can do. *shrug*" Nothing else!? Really? There's nothing you can imagine doing in order to stand up for your bodily autonomy?

It's infuriating. FFS, Mexico got abortion legalized within a day of the government declaring they'd be keeping it illegal, and yet up here they can't even envision 1 action that could help keep it legal? Are you serious?

[Salus Maior]

If a non-Catholic comes into the CDT they say there's no place for their opinions of beliefs in there.

Not really.

[Saiwania]

What does criminalizing abortion look like in terms of enforcing it? Is it a search warrant of her phone and computer to see what doctors and healthcare providers were sought out? Is it anyone she knows being interrogated about her menstrual cycle? Is it subpoena of insurance, travel, and bank records?

[Shrillland]

Most modern "Activists" are honestly kinda pathetic.

On one hand, I've been seeing so much shit the past few days about how women should be going on sex strikes or shaming men for jerking it, but what they don't understand is that that's exactly what conservatives want! They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences. You're playing right into their hands.

On the other side, tons upon tons of women are just accepting it. "Yeah, better just prepare, nothing else we can do. *shrug*" Nothing else!? Really? There's nothing you can imagine doing in order to stand up for your bodily autonomy?

It's infuriating. FFS, Mexico got abortion legalized within a day of the government declaring they'd be keeping it illegalized, and yet up here they can't even envision 1 action that could help keep it legal? Are you serious?

More or less. Mexico's abortion opponents weren't on the cusp of seizing dictatorial power and not needing to listen to the public on anything, they still had to bow to the masses. The main reason that nothing can be done is because the people who'd need to be swayed can't be by their opponents, only their increasingly angry and violent supporters.

[New haven america]

Most modern "Activists" are honestly kinda pathetic.

On one hand, I've been seeing so much shit the past few days about how women should be going on sex strikes or shaming men for jerking it, but what they don't understand is that that's exactly what conservatives want! They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences. You're playing right into their hands.

On the other side, tons upon tons of women are just accepting it. "Yeah, better just prepare, nothing else we can do. *shrug*" Nothing else!? Really? There's nothing you can imagine doing in order to stand up for your bodily autonomy?

It's infuriating. FFS, Mexico got abortion legalized within a day of the government declaring they'd be keeping it illegalized, and yet up here they can't even envision 1 action that could help keep it legal? Are you serious?

More or less. 1. Mexico's abortion opponents weren't on the cusp of seizing dictatorial power and not needing to listen to the public on anything, they still had to bow to the masses. 2. The main reason that nothing can be done is because the people who'd need to be swayed can't be by their opponents, only their increasingly angry and violent supporters.

1. Mexico's been in a state of dictatorship for its entire history. It was under the PRI's dictatorship when it got legalized, mainly because the citizens of Mexico City stormed and nearly burned down Los Pinos.

It can be done.

2. No, there's plenty of things that can be done, but I'm not allowed to post how on account of the site's stupid rules.

[Rusozak]

What does criminalizing abortion look like in terms of enforcing it? Is it a search warrant of her phone and computer to see what doctors and healthcare providers were sought out? Is it anyone she knows being interrogated about her menstrual cycle? Is it subpoena of insurance, travel, and bank records?

Some red states have already proposed keeping a watch list of women suspected of seeking abortion. Just police state 101 shit.

[The Jamesian Republic]

What does criminalizing abortion look like in terms of enforcing it? Is it a search warrant of her phone and computer to see what doctors and healthcare providers were sought out? Is it anyone she knows being interrogated about her menstrual cycle? Is it subpoena of insurance, travel, and bank records?

Some red states have already proposed keeping a watch list of women suspected of seeking abortion. Just police state 101 shit.

Ugh. That’s all I can say.

[Kannap]

What does criminalizing abortion look like in terms of enforcing it? Is it a search warrant of her phone and computer to see what doctors and healthcare providers were sought out? Is it anyone she knows being interrogated about her menstrual cycle? Is it subpoena of insurance, travel, and bank records?

Keep your fantasies about women being abused in your head, we don't want to be a part of it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'll tell you what. If Christian doctrine is never allowed to play any role in American politics ever, then we won't talk about it here.

Besides, when someone hostile to Christianity comes into the CDT, you guys get very annoyed and say that's not the place for such discussions either.

So this is really just an attempt to constrain the discussion.

If a non-Catholic comes into the CDT they say there's no place for their opinions of beliefs in there.

The presence of Orthodox, Anglican and Protestant posters rather quickly disproves this.

[Saiwania]

Keep your fantasies about women being abused in your head, we don't want to be a part of it.

I'm looking into whether I should support or oppose the recent direction on abortion in the US. I had assumed that it'd keep being legal by default and this SCOTUS action blindsided me and I do see a lot of downsides. But it could also be very good. I might be able to get rich and more because of this brave new world we're entering. I'm a male though, so my stakes in this is less personal or significantly less.

[Salus Maior]

They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences.

There is a consequence; destroying a human life that they conceived just for fun. That's the point. Discarding an innocent human life just to enable hedonism is dystopian, and the fact you don't get that is even more dystopian.

There's nothing worth preserving in hookup culture.

[Tarsonis]

If a non-Catholic comes into the CDT they say there's no place for their opinions of beliefs in there.

The presence of Orthodox, Anglican and Protestant posters rather quickly disproves this.

that shot was aimed at me because NHA gets run out of the CDT on the reg: mainly for bringing up half baked, wildly erroneous and easily disprovable ideas about theology.

[New haven america]

They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences.

There is a consequence; destroying a human life that they conceived just for fun. That's the point. Discarding an innocent human life just to enable hedonism is dystopian, and the fact you don't get that is even more dystopian.

There's nothing worth preserving in hookup culture.

We get it, you hate women and like watching them suffer.

You don't have to spam this fact 10,000 times a day.

[Eahland]

Keep your fantasies about women being abused in your head, we don't want to be a part of it.

I'm looking into whether I should support or oppose the recent direction on abortion in the US. I had assumed that it'd keep being legal by default and this SCOTUS action blindsided me and I do see a lot of downsides. But it could also be very good. I might be able to get rich and more because of this brave new world we're entering. I'm a male though, so my stakes in this is less personal or significantly less.

You should oppose it because it's horrible.

But of course you'll support it because it's horrible.

[Salus Maior]

There is a consequence; destroying a human life that they conceived just for fun. That's the point. Discarding an innocent human life just to enable hedonism is dystopian, and the fact you don't get that is even more dystopian.

There's nothing worth preserving in hookup culture.

We get it, you hate women and like watching them suffer.

You don't have to spam this fact 10,000 times a day.

That would certainly be easier for you to believe.

[Port Caverton]

Most modern "Activists" are honestly kinda pathetic.

On one hand, I've been seeing so much shit the past few days about how women should be going on sex strikes or shaming men for jerking it, but what they don't understand is that that's exactly what conservatives want! They hate the idea of out-of-wedlock sex and sexual liberation, part of the reason they hate abortion so much is because they view it as encouraging "slutty" behavior with no consequences. You're playing right into their hands.

On the other side, tons upon tons of women are just accepting it. "Yeah, better just prepare, nothing else we can do. *shrug*" Nothing else!? Really? There's nothing you can imagine doing in order to stand up for your bodily autonomy?

It's infuriating. FFS, Mexico got abortion legalized within a day of the government declaring they'd be keeping it illegal, and yet up here they can't even envision 1 action that could help keep it legal? Are you serious?

Least lazy americans

[Saiwania]

You should oppose it because it's horrible. But of course you'll support it because it's horrible.

There is debate on Stormfront whether this is better or worse for White America. That is what my loyalties are to. There is concern that we need abortion, else the non-White segments of the US are going to overtake the Whites even faster, because there is less preventing more births happening from women across the board getting pregnant from the sex they're going to have.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You should oppose it because it's horrible. But of course you'll support it because it's horrible.

There is debate on Stormfront whether this is better or worse for White America. That is what my loyalties are to. There is concern that we need abortion, else the non-White segments of the US are going to overtake the Whites even faster, because there is less preventing more births happening from women across the board getting knocked up from the sex they're going to have.

>claim not to be a Nazi anymore
>openly admit you use Stormfront and are only loyal to the idea of race

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[New haven america]

We get it, you hate women and like watching them suffer.

You don't have to spam this fact 10,000 times a day.

That would certainly be easier for you to believe.

Everyone here thinks you do.

[Salus Maior]

There is debate on Stormfront whether this is better or worse for White America. That is what my loyalties are to. There is concern that we need abortion, else the non-White segments of the US are going to overtake the Whites even faster, because there is less preventing more births happening from women across the board getting knocked up from the sex they're going to have.

>claim not to be a Nazi anymore
>openly admit you use Stormfront and are only loyal to the idea of race

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Did anyone ever seriously consider the "I'm not a nazi" bit?

[Salus Maior]

That would certainly be easier for you to believe.

Everyone here thinks you do.

Such a childish retort. Literally playground material.

[Saiwania]

Did anyone ever seriously consider the "I'm not a nazi" bit?

You don't need to be a National Socialist to be loyal to your own "in group" over other loyalties you find yourself attached to overtime. It just so happens that most neo-Nazis have similar worldview or sentiments to other race realists. Personal lives are quite complex.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Biden promised me nothing would fundamentally change and now things are fundamentally changing for the worse, what the hell dude?

The status quo involves things changing for the worse. That reality has not fundamentally changed.

[New haven america]

Everyone here thinks you do.

Such a childish retort. Literally playground material.

You could actually question why it is everyone thinks you hate women, but that's not going to happen.

And you know why that's not going to happen. Because then it'll out you and you can't have that happen.

Like, in your very post that lead to this you outright admitted abortion should be illegal in order to punish women, and yet you view nothing misogynistic about that.