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by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:54 pm
by American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:54 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Well you could say none of what Harry Truman or Roosevelt did would be anywhere close to socialism. It’s just capitalism with a fluffy tail.
Yes. And Biden is considerably more right wing than both of them were.
And yet people believe the communism scareword.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:57 pm
by American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:58 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
Who believes it though?
the part of the right wing who don’t know what socialism is and support trump and his ideology. you have to remember that most people don’t actually know what socialism is and just picture the USSR. if nobody believed it, they would use different smears.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:59 pm
American Legionaries wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
the part of the right wing who don’t know what socialism is and support trump and his ideology. you have to remember that most people don’t actually know what socialism is and just picture the USSR. if nobody believed it, they would use different smears.
Why would they use different smears? An insult doesn't need to be literally correct.
by American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:01 pm
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:03 pm

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by The Jamesian Republic » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:13 pm
Umeria wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Well you could say none of what Harry Truman or Roosevelt did would be anywhere close to socialism. It’s just capitalism with a fluffy tail.
I'll make sure to tell the millions of people who were lifted out of poverty because of the New Deal that their livelihoods amount to a fluffy tail.

by Hamidiye » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:15 pm
Sordhau wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:America has a rising tide of people who are so stupid they should not be allowed to vote. I mean, people who believe in QAnon should be in a mental asylum.
It's not stupidity, it's decades of coordinated manipulation starting during the Cold War by corporate media to prevent critical thinking and is aimed primarily at the largest demographic in America: the working class. This is by design meant to prevent a worker revolution so as to ensure the security of the assets of capitalists by turning those to whom socialist ideals would most appeal to (the proletariat and the peasantry) against those very ideals by creating misinformation of those ideals and what they represent as well as creating an environment which promotes pursuit of success at the expense of others that banks on the inherent selfish ideology of an individualist society. The idea is to prevent class consciousness by keeping the only people with the power to change anything from realizing that the system doesn't work for them and never did, thus ensuring they will never rise up against their oppressors and the status quo will be maintained until the inevitable point in which late stage capitalism collapses from it's own decrepit nature and the corporate bandits flee the country en masse to other capitalist countries so they can pick up where they left off: exploiting the workers for personal profit. America, meanwhile, will crumble and the poor--as always--will be the ones who suffer.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:20 pm

by Prima Scriptura » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:20 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
Who believes it though?
the part of the right wing who don’t know what socialism is and support trump and his ideology. you have to remember that most people don’t actually know what socialism is and just picture the USSR. if nobody believed it, they would use different smears.

by The Alma Mater » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:21 pm
Hamidiye wrote:Sordhau wrote:
It's not stupidity, it's decades of coordinated manipulation starting during the Cold War by corporate media to prevent critical thinking and is aimed primarily at the largest demographic in America: the working class. This is by design meant to prevent a worker revolution so as to ensure the security of the assets of capitalists by turning those to whom socialist ideals would most appeal to (the proletariat and the peasantry) against those very ideals by creating misinformation of those ideals and what they represent as well as creating an environment which promotes pursuit of success at the expense of others that banks on the inherent selfish ideology of an individualist society. The idea is to prevent class consciousness by keeping the only people with the power to change anything from realizing that the system doesn't work for them and never did, thus ensuring they will never rise up against their oppressors and the status quo will be maintained until the inevitable point in which late stage capitalism collapses from it's own decrepit nature and the corporate bandits flee the country en masse to other capitalist countries so they can pick up where they left off: exploiting the workers for personal profit. America, meanwhile, will crumble and the poor--as always--will be the ones who suffer.
But...really, how far gone would your reasoning skills have to be to believe in something that absurd? The general lack of class-consciousness is a whole other kettle, but this? Lizardmen? LIZARDMEN? This is... I'd have people like this certified insane, unable to make basic rational decisions. This is way beyond capitalism vs socialism, beyond workers rights and even creationism, it's so utterly absurd. It's a bona fide paranoid delusion, it is just bloody insane. I bet Trump, even as stupidly insane as he is, is laughing is ass off on qanons calling him and Kim Jong Un heroes fighting against the deep state and the lizardmen, it's on a whole other level to the usual absurd insanity that is US politics from a european perspective.
We germans are biased. We like our politicians businesslike and bland, to the point that colourlessness and absence of charisma are selling points, as our current chancellor exemplifies- Personally I saw some videos of that british fellow, the "Order, order!"-dude, and was horrified: politics as a circus. I realize my perspective might not be universal of course, but that whole Q-nonsense? This is 3 steps beyond creationism and candidates challenging each other on who's the most christian, it's just too absurd to contemplate.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:23 pm
Prima Scriptura wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
the part of the right wing who don’t know what socialism is and support trump and his ideology. you have to remember that most people don’t actually know what socialism is and just picture the USSR. if nobody believed it, they would use different smears.
You can like certain socialist-like polices, like a comprehensive and efficient welfare state, and oppose Communism simultaneously.

by Hamidiye » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:24 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Hamidiye wrote:
But...really, how far gone would your reasoning skills have to be to believe in something that absurd? The general lack of class-consciousness is a whole other kettle, but this? Lizardmen? LIZARDMEN? This is... I'd have people like this certified insane, unable to make basic rational decisions. This is way beyond capitalism vs socialism, beyond workers rights and even creationism, it's so utterly absurd. It's a bona fide paranoid delusion, it is just bloody insane. I bet Trump, even as stupidly insane as he is, is laughing is ass off on qanons calling him and Kim Jong Un heroes fighting against the deep state and the lizardmen, it's on a whole other level to the usual absurd insanity that is US politics from a european perspective.
We germans are biased. We like our politicians businesslike and bland, to the point that colourlessness and absence of charisma are selling points, as our current chancellor exemplifies- Personally I saw some videos of that british fellow, the "Order, order!"-dude, and was horrified: politics as a circus. I realize my perspective might not be universal of course, but that whole Q-nonsense? This is 3 steps beyond creationism and candidates challenging each other on who's the most christian, it's just too absurd to contemplate.
Small nitpick - you realise that the whole lizardman thing started in Britain, not the USA ?
Though the USA truly ran with it.
by American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:25 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:If you told me five years ago that five years from now a significant portion of the US population would trust an unknown user on an obscure internet forum more than the president of the US, I would think you were crazy. I would also wonder how you got in my house, but still

by Hamidiye » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:26 pm
American Legionaries wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:If you told me five years ago that five years from now a significant portion of the US population would trust an unknown user on an obscure internet forum more than the president of the US, I would think you were crazy. I would also wonder how you got in my house, but still
What if I told you five years ago that five years prior a significant portion of the US population would trust an unknown user on an obscure internet forum more than the president?

by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:28 pm

by Hamidiye » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:33 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Hamidiye wrote:
No, I don't. Don't know how a Nazi-ufo is powered either... it was just the most absurd Q-fact I could remember.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anderson ... e2f5bfb487


by Prima Scriptura » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:36 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Hamidiye wrote:
No, I don't. Don't know how a Nazi-ufo is powered either... it was just the most absurd Q-fact I could remember.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anderson ... e2f5bfb487
by American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:40 pm
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