American Politics XI: No Moe Roe(Likely, Anyway)

[American Legionaries]

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.

Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.

It's called hyperbole, my man.

[Tarsonis]

fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery

there are no curses in elvish, entish, orcish, nor all the tongues of men...

[The Jamesian Republic]

fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery

What does this have to do with the judicial process?

[Prima Scriptura]

Can we talk about the supreme court hearing? In what world is questioning someone on their faith something that should be done here? Lindsay Graham literally asked her whether she could properly judge Catholics because she was Protestant. Somehow, that wasn’t the most ridiculous thing. I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking about this.

Graham must think the Democrats attacked ACB’s religious faith, so thus is asking KBJ about her faith. As for the Catholic thing, there is a migration of far-right Protestants to Roman Catholicism and even more to Eastern Orthodoxy, as they believe those Churches affirm their desire for monarchy and an ethno nationalist state.

And before RCs and EOs response, I just wanted to say that The vast majority of your members abhor the rhetoric that the far right spews.

[Kowani]

as far as i can tell, Cruz is trying to attack KBJ because her school (Georgetown Day) used a book by Ibram X. Kendi once


also “do you use CRT in your work” lmfao

[The Jamesian Republic]

as far as i can tell, Cruz is trying to attack KBJ because her school (Georgetown Day) used a book by Ibram X. Kendi once


also “do you use CRT in your work” lmfao

Is Ibram X. Kendi supposed to be a Republican boogeyman?

[Umeria]

Remember, these are the people who Democrats are about to lose in a landslide to. Not only is the centrist approach harmful to the country, it doesn't even win elections.

[Kowani]

as far as i can tell, Cruz is trying to attack KBJ because her school (Georgetown Day) used a book by Ibram X. Kendi once


also “do you use CRT in your work” lmfao

Is Ibram X. Kendi supposed to be a Republican boogeyman?

Yes

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Okay now we’re on the sex offenders registries thing

[The Black Forrest]

went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane

I haven’t been able to watch….how long before it descended into shit show?

[The Black Forrest]

why does this matter? this hearing has gone so far off the rails that it’s almost funny.

I could lock the hearing and warn them.

Can you change Cruz to DOS?

[Senkaku]

Can we talk about the supreme court hearing? In what world is questioning someone on their faith something that should be done here? Lindsay Graham literally asked her whether she could properly judge Catholics because she was Protestant. Somehow, that wasn’t the most ridiculous thing. I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking about this.

It's a wild question, but I'm just shocked by how much of a softball that sounds.

I'm not even an unqualified judge, much less a Supreme Court nominee, and right off the bat I can see the low-hanging fruit of "separation of church and state," "fulfilling my duties professionally and impartially, like all Supreme Court members," or even that the U.S. has dealt with this for centuries, no problem. Like, I get the guy's being an ass, but it the "gotcha!" comes across to me like "Would you be able to fairly judge someone born in another state? Hmmmm???" The answer's "Yeah, of course."

Yeah, but I don’t think “would you be able to judge someone from another state” is the question you’re supposed to think of as logically related— if he’s asking her questions about being able to fairly judge people of different identities, I think it’s an oblique drive at whether she can judge white people. Let the viewers come up with questions they would’ve asked her, lead them towards that one, and let them make it go viral, so that Graham doesn’t have to say it himself but it still enters the discourse.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Is Ibram X. Kendi supposed to be a Republican boogeyman?

Yes

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Okay now we’re on the sex offenders registries thing

What did he do that’s so terrifying to them?

[The Alma Mater]

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.

Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means
-- Harry Truman, 1952

They upgraded to communism; but otherwise nothing has changed.

[The Alma Mater]

It's a wild question, but I'm just shocked by how much of a softball that sounds.

I'm not even an unqualified judge, much less a Supreme Court nominee, and right off the bat I can see the low-hanging fruit of "separation of church and state," "fulfilling my duties professionally and impartially, like all Supreme Court members," or even that the U.S. has dealt with this for centuries, no problem. Like, I get the guy's being an ass, but it the "gotcha!" comes across to me like "Would you be able to fairly judge someone born in another state? Hmmmm???" The answer's "Yeah, of course."

Yeah, but I don’t think “would you be able to judge someone from another state” is the question you’re supposed to think of as logically related— if he’s asking her questions about being able to fairly judge people of different identities, I think it’s an oblique drive at whether she can judge white people. Let the viewers come up with questions they would’ve asked her, lead them towards that one, and let them make it go viral, so that Graham doesn’t have to say it himself but it still enters the discourse.

Did she not rule in favour of Trump a few times ?

[Umeria]

Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means
-- Harry Truman, 1952

They upgraded to communism; but otherwise nothing has changed.

What's changed is Democrats now meekly agree with the framing rather than challenging it as Truman did.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means
-- Harry Truman, 1952

They upgraded to communism; but otherwise nothing has changed.

Yes helping people be able to live a good life in a nation that has been labeled a land of opportunity. How un-American.

[The Alma Mater]

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means
-- Harry Truman, 1952

They upgraded to communism; but otherwise nothing has changed.

What's changed is Democrats now meekly agree with the framing rather than challenging it as Truman did.

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus. Or that Jews have space lasers they use to create forest fires. That vaccines contain sentient squid controlled by Satan.

You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

[Skelly Man Dan]

It's a wild question, but I'm just shocked by how much of a softball that sounds.

I'm not even an unqualified judge, much less a Supreme Court nominee, and right off the bat I can see the low-hanging fruit of "separation of church and state," "fulfilling my duties professionally and impartially, like all Supreme Court members," or even that the U.S. has dealt with this for centuries, no problem. Like, I get the guy's being an ass, but it the "gotcha!" comes across to me like "Would you be able to fairly judge someone born in another state? Hmmmm???" The answer's "Yeah, of course."

Yeah, but I don’t think “would you be able to judge someone from another state” is the question you’re supposed to think of as logically related— if he’s asking her questions about being able to fairly judge people of different identities, I think it’s an oblique drive at whether she can judge white people. Let the viewers come up with questions they would’ve asked her, lead them towards that one, and let them make it go viral, so that Graham doesn’t have to say it himself but it still enters the discourse.

Fair point. Being born a Catholic and knowing its history in the U.S., my first thought wasn't to think about it as a dogwhistle, but it makes more sense from that perspective.

[The Jamesian Republic]

What's changed is Democrats now meekly agree with the framing rather than challenging it as Truman did.

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus.
You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

Well you could say none of what Harry Truman or Roosevelt did would be anywhere close to socialism. It’s just capitalism with a fluffy tail.

[The Alma Mater]

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus.
You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

Well you could say none of what Harry Truman or Roosevelt did would be anywhere close to socialism. It’s just capitalism with a fluffy tail.

Yes. And Biden is considerably more right wing than both of them were.
And yet people believe the communism scareword.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

as far as i can tell, Cruz is trying to attack KBJ because her school (Georgetown Day) used a book by Ibram X. Kendi once


also “do you use CRT in your work” lmfao

oh my god someone she knew heard a book being read in elementary school. this disqualifies her from being a judge

[Skelly Man Dan]

What's changed is Democrats now meekly agree with the framing rather than challenging it as Truman did.

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus. Or that Jews have space lasers they use to create forest fires. That vaccines contain sentient squid controlled by Satan.

You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

The danger is that there's an entire field of rhetoric that doesn't aim to make sense or be argued in good faith. Engaging with it, even if only to point out how stupid it is, will drag you into a battle your opponent will never lose, all while they claim credibility because someone is debating them and "can't" win. There's always going to be a floor for how few "supporters"/"believers" of this stuff there are, the best you can do is not validate it by acting like its sensical enough to engage.

[Umeria]

What's changed is Democrats now meekly agree with the framing rather than challenging it as Truman did.

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus.
You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

I don't think everyone who believes the Democrats are communist is crazy. Mass media has told us that our hardships are because of government overreach, and that government overreach is communism. If that's the only thing you hear for decades, that's probably what you're going to believe.

I agree that just blandly stating "actually that's not the technical definition of communism" isn't going to convince people. What will convince them is the same thing Truman said: they're calling us communist because they're trying to hide the fact that we want to help you and they don't.

[Umeria]

Well you could say none of what Harry Truman or Roosevelt did would be anywhere close to socialism. It’s just capitalism with a fluffy tail.

I'll make sure to tell the millions of people who were lifted out of poverty because of the New Deal that their livelihoods amount to a fluffy tail.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Honestly, it is a bit hard to challenge something if one has to be crazy to believe it in the first place. It is like being asked to challenge the idea that you are a pink rhinoceros from the planet Venus. Or that Jews have space lasers they use to create forest fires. That vaccines contain sentient squid controlled by Satan.

You are not going to convince someone who actually believes that with facts and reasoning.

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

The danger is that there's an entire field of rhetoric that doesn't aim to make sense or be argued in good faith. Engaging with it, even if only to point out how stupid it is, will drag you into a battle your opponent will never lose, all while they claim credibility because someone is debating them and "can't" win. There's always going to be a floor for how few "supporters"/"believers" of this stuff there are, the best you can do is not validate it by acting like its sensical enough to engage.

Arguing with an idiot is a bit like playing chess with a pigeon. It knocks the pieces off the table, poops on the board, and struts around like it won.