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Will the likely SCOTUS ruling on Dobbs v. Jackson change the dynamics of the Midterms?

Yes
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59%
No
32
13%
A Bit of Both
41
17%
Don't Know
27
11%
 
Total votes : 245

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The United Penguin Commonwealth
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:02 am

Kowani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Defending the private healthcare industry...in the judicial appointment hearings?

Socialism fearmongering

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what the heck does this have to do with anything? are they trying to accuse Jackson of socialism now or something?

In a roundabout way, yes


if socialism means healthcare, sign me up.

seriously, “socialism” is such an overused smear word it has almost lost all meaning.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:03 am

Kowani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Defending the private healthcare industry...in the judicial appointment hearings?

Socialism fearmongering

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.

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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kowani wrote:Socialism fearmongering

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.


He just needs SCOTUS lackeys to approve his gulags.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kowani wrote:Socialism fearmongering

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.


what’s next, will he turn our glorious America to a communist hellscape and raise taxes on the rich? we must rise up against this socialist fascist anarchic dicator!
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:10 am

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Duvniask wrote:American democracy is so thoroughly broken and compromise so hard to find that even a moderate effort at change appears increasingly impossible; so much so that a military coup at times seems like a more likely avenue for change.

Change towards being worse.

Something like that or communist revolution. Take your pick.

Except I'm afraid the former is much more likely, what with the labor movement being comatose and all.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:10 am

went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:11 am

Duvniask wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Change towards being worse.

Something like that or communist revolution. Take your pick.

Except I'm afraid the former is much more likely, what with the labor movement being comatose and all.

Imma pick communist revolution.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:16 am

Kowani wrote:went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane


when is racial discrimination ever acceptable? and what the heck does this have to do with the hearing?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:16 am

Kowani wrote:went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane

I realize the Commerce Clause discussions sound boring but this is about the power of Congress to override lawlessness in the states like what Texas has done with SB8 and the idea of outsourcing enforcement of laws to vigilantes to get around protected rights


Also Klobuchar’s up now
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:21 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Kowani wrote:went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane


when is racial discrimination ever acceptable? and what the heck does this have to do with the hearing?

So in reality for Republicans, the hearings serve 2 purposes
1: generating 20-second Fox News clips that can be used later (I think Lindsey graham won that one today)
2: generating talking points to justify not having voted for the nominee
In this case the point being created is that by picking KBJ, Biden was in fact racially discriminating against white people
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:23 am

Kowani wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
when is racial discrimination ever acceptable? and what the heck does this have to do with the hearing?

So in reality for Republicans, the hearings serve 2 purposes
1: generating 20-second Fox News clips that can be used later (I think Lindsey graham won that one today)
2: generating talking points to justify not having voted for the nominee
In this case the point being created is that by picking KBJ, Biden was in fact racially discriminating against white people


hiring black people is literally discrimination
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:23 am

Kowani wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
when is racial discrimination ever acceptable? and what the heck does this have to do with the hearing?

So in reality for Republicans, the hearings serve 2 purposes
1: generating 20-second Fox News clips that can be used later (I think Lindsey graham won that one today)
2: generating talking points to justify not having voted for the nominee
In this case the point being created is that by picking KBJ, Biden was in fact racially discriminating against white people


Assume for a moment that Biden indeed was purely motivated by racist motives.
What difference does that actually make ? It is not like SCOTUS judges are appointed based on merit normally - IIRC 50 or so were appointed without even having a law degree; let alone relevant experience.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:29 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kowani wrote:So in reality for Republicans, the hearings serve 2 purposes
1: generating 20-second Fox News clips that can be used later (I think Lindsey graham won that one today)
2: generating talking points to justify not having voted for the nominee
In this case the point being created is that by picking KBJ, Biden was in fact racially discriminating against white people


Assume for a moment that Biden indeed was purely motivated by racist motives.
What difference does that actually make ? It is not like SCOTUS judges are appointed based on merit normally - IIRC 50 or so were appointed without even having a law degree; let alone relevant experience.

honestly it was better for the nation when a SCOTUS seat was seen as a disappointment and the court had to meet in the Capitol basement
this collection of prestigious prattling autarchs should be cut down to size and have their political nature embraced again
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby New Tryphalia » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:35 am

Kowani wrote:
Kowani wrote:went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane

I realize the Commerce Clause discussions sound boring but this is about the power of Congress to override lawlessness in the states like what Texas has done with SB8 and the idea of outsourcing enforcement of laws to vigilantes to get around protected rights


Also Klobuchar’s up now


I keep expecting her to throw a shoe or something at one of the other Senators.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:40 am

Kowani wrote:So in reality for Republicans, the hearings serve 2 purposes
1: generating 20-second Fox News clips that can be used later (I think Lindsey graham won that one today)
2: generating talking points to justify not having voted for the nominee

When you accidentally turn your national political party into a glorified content mill operated by elderly rich sociopaths
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:44 am

Cruz is up now

Kill me

(Klobuchar discussion was mostly about the shadow docket, antitrust+sentencing guidelines)
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Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:45 am

Kowani wrote:Cruz is up now

Kill me

(Klobuchar discussion was mostly about the shadow docket, antitrust+sentencing guidelines)

Can Ted Cruz like... have a fatal stroke on C-SPAN? <.<

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:46 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Kowani wrote:went from dismantling the healthcare industry to 9th amendment relitigation to “when can states/employers racially discriminate against people” to the dormant commerce clause

the whole damn party’s insane


when is racial discrimination ever acceptable? and what the heck does this have to do with the hearing?


When you've created a de facto and at times, de jur racial hierarchy for over 200 years, taking steps to undo that is gonna require some racial preferences. Affirmative action may be flawed, but the concept isn't without merit
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Postby Kowani » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:53 am

fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:56 am

Kowani wrote:fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery


why does this matter? this hearing has gone so far off the rails that it’s almost funny.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:57 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Kowani wrote:fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery


why does this matter? this hearing has gone so far off the rails that it’s almost funny.

I could lock the hearing and warn them.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kowani wrote:Socialism fearmongering

Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.


Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:02 pm

Kowani wrote:fucking

cruz’s first question is about the 1619 project and If KBJ thinks one of the primary reasons the colonists sought independence was to protect the institution of slavery


Cruz is just grandstanding because he is running in 2024.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:02 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Comrade Biden at it again, trying to put a commie on the Supreme Court.


Where did they get the idea he was a communist? I just want to know how this began.


anything the republican party disagrees with is communism. I’m assuming it’s a carryover from the days where people accused each other of communism all the time.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Skelly Man Dan » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:03 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Can we talk about the supreme court hearing? In what world is questioning someone on their faith something that should be done here? Lindsay Graham literally asked her whether she could properly judge Catholics because she was Protestant. Somehow, that wasn’t the most ridiculous thing. I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking about this.


It's a wild question, but I'm just shocked by how much of a softball that sounds.

I'm not even an unqualified judge, much less a Supreme Court nominee, and right off the bat I can see the low-hanging fruit of "separation of church and state," "fulfilling my duties professionally and impartially, like all Supreme Court members," or even that the U.S. has dealt with this for centuries, no problem. Like, I get the guy's being an ass, but it the "gotcha!" comes across to me like "Would you be able to fairly judge someone born in another state? Hmmmm???" The answer's "Yeah, of course."
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