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Will the likely SCOTUS ruling on Dobbs v. Jackson change the dynamics of the Midterms?

Yes
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No
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A Bit of Both
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Total votes : 245

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu May 12, 2022 9:49 am

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so?


what do you mean so? Treason isn't something you can charge anyone you disagree with or don't like with.

SL I think you are just scared that the spirit of your constitution is being shat upon from great heights by the Republicans. and tbh? id be too.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 9:51 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
what do you mean so? Treason isn't something you can charge anyone you disagree with or don't like with.

SL I think you are just scared that the spirit of your constitution is being shat upon from great heights by the Republicans. and tbh? id be too.


No im not. What is treason is crystal clear and not something that can levied against you enemies or those you don't like.

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Postby Eahland » Thu May 12, 2022 9:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:they perfectly could, because they are the ones "interpreting" the constitution and just like the bible you can manage any favourable interpretation you want.


No they cannot. You'd have to bring a case before them first. The court cannot just issue rulings because they feel like it. That's not how the judicial system works in any country.

Stop repeating this. It is not a meaningful barrier to anything. Do you think there's any shortage of people willing to bring cases to allow the Supreme Court to strike down anything they want? This Roe ruling didn't come out of nowhere. Someone brought a case with the specific intention of allowing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 12, 2022 9:54 am

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Ifreann wrote:Imprisoning people for conspiring to violate the basic rights of millions and millions of people is not, in fact, authoritarianism.


of course it is. It's just authoritarianism you agree with.

Swing and a miss, bud, I don't think we should be imprisoning people at all.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 12, 2022 9:54 am

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No they cannot. You'd have to bring a case before them first. The court cannot just issue rulings because they feel like it. That's not how the judicial system works in any country.

Stop repeating this. It is not a meaningful barrier to anything. Do you think there's any shortage of people willing to bring cases to allow the Supreme Court to strike down anything they want? This Roe ruling didn't come out of nowhere. Someone brought a case with the specific intention of allowing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe.

Actually, I think it the Mississippi law was written in such a way as to provoke a challenge.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 9:54 am

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No they cannot. You'd have to bring a case before them first. The court cannot just issue rulings because they feel like it. That's not how the judicial system works in any country.

Stop repeating this. It is not a meaningful barrier to anything. Do you think there's any shortage of people willing to bring cases to allow the Supreme Court to strike down anything they want? This Roe ruling didn't come out of nowhere. Someone brought a case with the specific intention of allowing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe.


Yes because a state passed a law all but banning abortion. In order for your fantasy to happen someone would have to be charged with treason outside of the federal definition.

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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 12, 2022 9:54 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Eahland wrote:Stop repeating this. It is not a meaningful barrier to anything. Do you think there's any shortage of people willing to bring cases to allow the Supreme Court to strike down anything they want? This Roe ruling didn't come out of nowhere. Someone brought a case with the specific intention of allowing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe.

Actually, I think it the Mississippi law was written in such a way as to provoke a challenge.

We're very near the end here, so beware of a lock and a new thread.


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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 12, 2022 9:55 am

Shrillland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Actually, I think it the Mississippi law was written in such a way as to provoke a challenge.

We're very near the end here, so beware of a lock and a new thread.


The thread's set up, I merely await the threshold.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu May 12, 2022 9:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eahland wrote:Stop repeating this. It is not a meaningful barrier to anything. Do you think there's any shortage of people willing to bring cases to allow the Supreme Court to strike down anything they want? This Roe ruling didn't come out of nowhere. Someone brought a case with the specific intention of allowing the Supreme Court to overturn Roe.


Yes because a state passed a law all but banning abortion. In order for your fantasy to happen someone would have to be charged with treason outside of the federal definition.

sure
like russia some southern state, probably florida charges someone with treason for disliking the tyranny that is visited upon them, et voila the GOP SCOTUS is free to say treason is whatever the GOP dislikes.

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 12, 2022 9:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
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of course it is. It's just authoritarianism you agree with.

Swing and a miss, bud, I don't think we should be imprisoning people at all.


then why defend it? just to be contrarian?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 9:57 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes because a state passed a law all but banning abortion. In order for your fantasy to happen someone would have to be charged with treason outside of the federal definition.

sure
like russia some southern state, probably florida charges someone with treason for disliking the tyranny that is visited upon them, et voila the GOP SCOTUS is free to say treason is whatever the GOP dislikes.


Extremely doubtful.

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Postby Untecna » Thu May 12, 2022 9:58 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
what do you mean so? Treason isn't something you can charge anyone you disagree with or don't like with.

SL I think you are just scared that the spirit of your constitution is being shat upon from great heights by the Republicans. and tbh? id be too.

I think we all are.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu May 12, 2022 9:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:sure
like russia some southern state, probably florida charges someone with treason for disliking the tyranny that is visited upon them, et voila the GOP SCOTUS is free to say treason is whatever the GOP dislikes.


Extremely doubtful.

you also said a lot of things about donald trump not winning in 2016 and a load of bullshit about covid so excuse me if i dont particularly value your alleged ability for prognostication.

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 12, 2022 9:59 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes because a state passed a law all but banning abortion. In order for your fantasy to happen someone would have to be charged with treason outside of the federal definition.

sure
like russia some southern state, probably florida charges someone with treason for disliking the tyranny that is visited upon them, et voila the GOP SCOTUS is free to say treason is whatever the GOP dislikes.


Not really no. Not how this works.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 12, 2022 10:00 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Swing and a miss, bud, I don't think we should be imprisoning people at all.


then why defend it? just to be contrarian?

I'm not defending it, I'm explaining that you're wrong, and I'm doing that because I would prefer that "authoritarianism" join the long list of perfectly useful words that have their actual meaning sucked out, leaving only a dry husk of "bad thing" where the definition used to be.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu May 12, 2022 10:01 am

Untecna wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:SL I think you are just scared that the spirit of your constitution is being shat upon from great heights by the Republicans. and tbh? id be too.

I think we all are.


Undoubtedly so. Given the direction America (and the world in general) is trending, I do not have much faith the right things will be done.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 12, 2022 10:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
so?


what do you mean so? Treason isn't something you can charge anyone you disagree with or don't like with.


>Florida arrests someone for not being a Republican
>Florida gets sued
>Case reaches supreme court
>Supreme court rules in favor of Florida
>Democrat politicians try to stop scotus
>They don’t have enough power
>Viola!

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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 10:02 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
what do you mean so? Treason isn't something you can charge anyone you disagree with or don't like with.


>Florida arrests someone for not being a Republican
>Florida gets sued
>Case reaches supreme court
>Supreme court rules in favor of Florida
>Democrat politicians try to stop scotus
>They don’t have enough power
>Viola!


That's not something they can be charged with. Its not a crime to disagree. No judge would take up the case.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu May 12, 2022 10:02 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:sure
like russia some southern state, probably florida charges someone with treason for disliking the tyranny that is visited upon them, et voila the GOP SCOTUS is free to say treason is whatever the GOP dislikes.


Not really no. Not how this works.

yeah and the russian invasion of ukraine is just a "special military operation".

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 12, 2022 10:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
then why defend it? just to be contrarian?

I'm not defending it, I'm explaining that you're wrong, and I'm doing that because I would prefer that "authoritarianism" join the long list of perfectly useful words that have their actual meaning sucked out, leaving only a dry husk of "bad thing" where the definition used to be.


Imprisoning people for disagreeing with Roe, fits right inside that Encyclopedia Britanica definition of Authoritarianism. Cults of personality like Russia and NK aren't the only forms of authoritarianism.
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Postby Eahland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:04 am

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
>Florida arrests someone for not being a Republican
>Florida gets sued
>Case reaches supreme court
>Supreme court rules in favor of Florida
>Democrat politicians try to stop scotus
>They don’t have enough power
>Viola!


That's not something they can be charged with. Its not a crime to disagree. No judge would take up the case.

Just like they'd never overturn Roe because it would be so unpopular.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 10:04 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Not really no. Not how this works.

yeah and the russian invasion of ukraine is just a "special military operation".


You seem to lack a basic understanding of the constitution and how the process works.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 12, 2022 10:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
>Florida arrests someone for not being a Republican
>Florida gets sued
>Case reaches supreme court
>Supreme court rules in favor of Florida
>Democrat politicians try to stop scotus
>They don’t have enough power
>Viola!


That's not something they can be charged with. Its not a crime to disagree. No judge would take up the case.

Incredible that you continue to have faith in judges who are dehumanising half of your country.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 12, 2022 10:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
>Florida arrests someone for not being a Republican
>Florida gets sued
>Case reaches supreme court
>Supreme court rules in favor of Florida
>Democrat politicians try to stop scotus
>They don’t have enough power
>Viola!


That's not something they can be charged with. Its not a crime to disagree. No judge would take up the case.


I think you’re too optimistic about people.

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Postby Eahland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That's not something they can be charged with. Its not a crime to disagree. No judge would take up the case.

Incredible that you continue to have faith in judges who are dehumanising half of your country.

Especially when they've made it pretty clear that Lumen's rights are on the chopping block next.
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