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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:41 pm

The Commonwealth of Tennessee wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:I, as a person who fought, can assume that this is the Rassvet missile system

That's a ship based weapon system, right?

No
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Postby The Commonwealth of Tennessee » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:41 pm

Union of the Blower States wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I read the first few paragraphs and I’m convinced Putin has been snorting Kool-Aid powder off that long table of his for the better half of two months. With a silly straw too!

the question is why do you have twitter everywhere? I don't even have an account there. in Russia it is a garbage dump and not a social network

Twitter is a general cesspool of information sometimes, but occasionally it produces good information or draws awareness to something that actually needs it.

*in the US, not sure how different EU twitter and US twitter are.
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Postby GB and Ireland » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:41 pm

Estruia wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:I am a Russian living in the Donbass. they shoot at us



So, you're an occupier?

You realize that not all Russians who live in any part of Ukraine are "occupiers", right?

Donbass has a very high number of ethnic Russians.
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I'll keep calling it "Kiev".

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:42 pm

Union of the Blower States wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I read the first few paragraphs and I’m convinced Putin has been snorting Kool-Aid powder off that long table of his for the better half of two months. With a silly straw too!

the question is why do you have twitter everywhere? I don't even have an account there. in Russia it is a garbage dump and not a social network

I don’t either, hon, I’m the wrong person to ask.
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Postby Estruia » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:42 pm

Union of the Blower States wrote:
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So, you're an occupier? Or were you a Ukrainian citizen living in Donetsk or Luhansk prior to 2014? I'm genuinely curious.

I used to be a citizen of Ukraine


Ah, interesting. May I ask what motivated you to join the separatists?
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Postby Union of the Blower States » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:43 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Follow up Photo to this link i posted in the last thread showing a Russian tank, allegedly a T-90 being destroyed by Ukrainian forces after being abandoned near Kharkov

Here is the Tank engulfed in flames, NSFW but no gore



reddit link


Why are they just abandoned?

the golden rule of war in ukraine if you are a tanker surrounded, get out of the tank, even god will not save you

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Postby Union of the Blower States » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:44 pm

Estruia wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:I used to be a citizen of Ukraine


Ah, interesting. May I ask what motivated you to join the separatists?

Ukrainian nationalists killed some of my relatives and wanted to ban the Russian language (already banned) and what would you do in my place

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:45 pm

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The guy above you got a mod!warn and keeps pasting links to Russian websites.

sorry, but what am I guilty of, if there is only a picture and secondly, what is a mod?

A Mod would be me. :) Nice to meet you. Please stop linking Russian language web sites and telling people to use Google translate. That is not how things work here. Because you have been doing this and ignoring requests that you stop, you are now *** warned for spam. ***

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Postby Shekelesh » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:46 pm

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The North Polish Union wrote:Assad de facto won the Syrian Civil War a while ago. The only resistance is the Turkish-sponsored one that can't break out of Idlib since (IIRC) Assad and the Kurds have a handshake agreement not to mess with each other too much

I think the Kurds deserve a reprieve from the fighting

Shekelesh wrote:There definitely is but it will also show Russian soldiers the sheer scale of the resistance they can expect. I mean Ukrainian farmers are towing Russian vehicles away from them for crying out loud.

The Russian military has a history of revolting when the government tried to send them to their certain deaths for no reason. Hope that happens again.

Supposedly this war is not very popular among the Russian officer corps. Putin already is losing support among the normal oligarchs.
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Postby Union of the Blower States » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:46 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:sorry, but what am I guilty of, if there is only a picture and secondly, what is a mod?

A Mod would be me. :) Nice to meet you. Please stop linking Russian language web sites and telling people to use Google translate. That is not how things work here. Because you have been doing this and ignoring requests that you stop, you are now *** warned for spam. ***

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Postby New Baltenstein » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:48 pm

On a side note, I am genuinely curious about the weather situation in Ukraine right now. On some pics, you see destroyed tanks covered in snow, on others, people are running around in light clothes and it looks like spring.

Also isn't it about time for the Rasputiza to start?
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Postby Union of the Blower States » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:49 pm

New Baltenstein wrote:On a side note, I am genuinely curious about the weather situation in Ukraine right now. On some pics, you see destroyed tanks covered in snow, on others, people are running around in light clothes and it looks like spring.

Also isn't it about time for the Rasputiza to start?

we have a changing climate

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Postby Shekelesh » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:50 pm

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Follow up Photo to this link i posted in the last thread showing a Russian tank, allegedly a T-90 being destroyed by Ukrainian forces after being abandoned near Kharkov

Here is the Tank engulfed in flames, NSFW but no gore



reddit link


Why are they just abandoned?

Could have been immobilised or ran out of fuel and was abandoned by the crew.

Here is another angle of the same tank and truck from a car passing from behind and it appears this T-90 and the truck are the only two disabled russian vehicles, so they might have been on their own and overwhelmed in an ambush or the other Russian vehicles retreated and they got stuck, which then might have caused the crew to ditch it and run.

Who knows really
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:04 pm

GB and Ireland wrote:
Estruia wrote:

So, you're an occupier?

You realize that not all Russians who live in any part of Ukraine are "occupiers", right?

Donbass has a very high number of ethnic Russians.


If ethnicity gets confused with nationality, then they're an occupier.

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Postby Adamede » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:05 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Shekelesh wrote:IIRC Boris lives in one of the Baltic countries.

Boris lives in Estonia, he moved there last year. He used to live in Russia, and has Ukrainian citizenship. He has family all over the place too. His latest video was a tearjerker. I wonder if he went back to Ukraine to fight. Terrifying, but I can absolutely understand if he did.

Been years since I've watched him. Sucks what the actions of a dictator can do to affect the lives of millions.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:10 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:10 pm

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Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
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Postby Adamede » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:11 pm

The Commonwealth of Tennessee wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:the question is why do you have twitter everywhere? I don't even have an account there. in Russia it is a garbage dump and not a social network

Twitter is a general cesspool of information sometimes, but occasionally it produces good information or draws awareness to something that actually needs it.

*in the US, not sure how different EU twitter and US twitter are.
Any other sources you'd recommend for news?
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:11 pm

Adamede wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Boris lives in Estonia, he moved there last year. He used to live in Russia, and has Ukrainian citizenship. He has family all over the place too. His latest video was a tearjerker. I wonder if he went back to Ukraine to fight. Terrifying, but I can absolutely understand if he did.

Been years since I've watched him. Sucks what the actions of a dictator can do to affect the lives of millions.

Oh absolutely. Like…obviously he is one person, but he is one person among millions dealing with a very similar agony and confusion. I hope he truly does return, along with many other Ukrainians who have suffered.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:12 pm

Shekelesh wrote:
Adamede wrote:I think the Kurds deserve a reprieve from the fighting


The Russian military has a history of revolting when the government tried to send them to their certain deaths for no reason. Hope that happens again.

Supposedly this war is not very popular among the Russian officer corps. Putin already is losing support among the normal oligarchs.

I'd imagine not. Even with the continuous Russian advance it seems like a fucking meat grinder for any Russian forces sent in.
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Postby New Baltenstein » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:13 pm



One month from now:

Finnish political parties come to the conclusion that NATO membership won't be necessary as the Russian military destroyed itself in Ukraine
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm

Supposedly, this entire war could be about Russia's geo-strategic concerns, with high similarities to why the US invaded Iraq in 2003. WMDs were a lie that covered up the true motives of the Bush administration.

Russia basically built pipelines to transport oil/natural gas through Ukraine as the Soviet Union, but didn't build as much infrastructure in the other ex-Soviet states. When Ukraine suddenly became independent, Russia had to keep paying tariffs to use Ukraine to transport the resources to European customers. Russia finds the tariffs to be a burden and wants to avoid Ukraine altogether in building pipelines that take alternative routes, but can't if its found that Ukraine has valuable natural gas deposits around Crimea and in east and west Ukraine.

Now suddenly Ukraine can be a disruptive competitor to Russia's energy exports that Russia doesn't want. This invasion is Russia's attempt to take out a major threat to its governmental budget/GDP.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:16 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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