Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Sky Reavers]

Russian state propaganda hasn't made a single true statement in the last month, they'll even deny that an invasion is happening in the first place.

It says, this is "special operation". But as a layman I belive, that if I hear extremely loud explosions near my city - this is war.

[Grenartia]

We all pay. For war we never wanted. For a sin we never commited. I pay, Russians pay, and if you are even a bit nervious about this war and what it will cause, or you felt any economic ramifications, you also pay.

War is worse than hell.

[Asherahan]

It won't do not delude yourself that Ukraine will survive.

Ukriane has survived far worse. Russia ultimately can’t win this war.

Ukraine started existing in the 90s for the first time as its own entity with its own history and I dont see it having gone through anything like this before.

[Ethel mermania]

Russian state propaganda hasn't made a single true statement in the last month, they'll even deny that an invasion is happening in the first place.

It says, this is "special operation". But as a layman I belive, that if I hear extremely loud explosions near my city - this is war.

Tbf, America called Korea a "police action".

[Adamede]

The bet they could possibly gain given this situation is pyrrhic victory.

They probably mean, half of Ukraine will still remain independent. That kind of victory

Again not what I said.

[Rio Cana]

It seems this war could be winding down. The Pres. of Ukraine seems to be accepting the three Russian demands. In return, Russia has said that they were never in it to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Seems the Pres. of Ukraine feels abandoned by the west which promised to prop Ukraine up. The following news story explains it all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1nD-k2Zn2k

[Adamede]

Ukriane has survived far worse. Russia ultimately can’t win this war.

Ukraine started existing in the 90s for the first time as its own entity with its own history and I dont see it having gone through anything like this before.

Not my fault you don’t know history then

[Sky Reavers]

It seems this war could be winding down. The Pres. of Ukraine seems to be accepting the three Russian demands. In return, Russia has said that they were never in it to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Seems the Pres. of Ukraine feels abandoned by the west which promised to prop Ukraine up. The following news story explains it all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1nD-k2Zn2k

If this is true, peace coming soon will be awesome! No more deaths.

[The North Polish Union]

FYI, Lenta (Russian news site) is claiming the hospital was a justifiable military target since supposedly Azov was using it as a fortress, was holding the doctors prisoner, and beating them.

I am also the queen of England and the moon is made of green cheeses. About as credible.
Besides even if it was true it is a Spetnaz style hostage rescue, kill 1,000 hostages to kill 10 terrorists.

That said it does show Russians actually admit they attacked the hospital, so we know that part is true and the fact they are desperately trying to make lame excuses shows they realize it is a PR disaster.

Still I sure their domestic TV watchers as well as some of their weird extreme MAGA/DSA coalition of fellow travelers will lap it up. Still I doubt most people will, especially as the have zero credibility.

Everything they say has to be assumed false until proven true.
If the Russian government said I was not the Queen of England I might actually start thinking I was.

It is strange to see the far-right/far-left coalition that has been supporting Russia in western Europe/North America. Here in Poland it is only the old-style leftists who support Russia, and they are universally disliked by anybody except themselves.

[El Lazaro]

It seems this war could be winding down. The Pres. of Ukraine seems to be accepting the three Russian demands. In return, Russia has said that they were never in it to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Seems the Pres. of Ukraine feels abandoned by the west which promised to prop Ukraine up. The following news story explains it all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1nD-k2Zn2k

If this is true, peace coming soon will be awesome! No more deaths.

There is nothing emptier than a Russian promise. Putin swiftly broke a temporary ceasefire to prevent the deaths of fleeing civilians when he shelled them just yesterday. If Russia will break a promise just so it can murder more civilians, then it will not allow any real concessions.

[Sky Reavers]

There is nothing emptier than a Russian promise. Putin swiftly broke a temporary ceasefire to prevent the deaths of fleeing civilians when he shelled them just yesterday. If Russia will break a promise just so it can murder more civilians, then it will not allow any real concessions.

And yet, I will hope. No matter what, peace will eventually come.

[The North Polish Union]

Igor Striełkov (the creator of Donieck military forces) said in an interview (currently only in Russian) that the current state of the Russian operation in Ukraine is a tactical failure. Not a disaster yet, but something is going really wrong for Russians.

[Tarsonis]

Igor Striełkov (the creator of Donieck military forces) said in an interview (currently only in Russian) that the current state of the Russian operation in Ukraine is a tactical failure. Not a disaster yet, but something is going really wrong for Russians.

Everything is going wrong for the Russians. you love to see it

[New Baltenstein]

If this is true, peace coming soon will be awesome! No more deaths.

There is nothing emptier than a Russian promise. Putin swiftly broke a temporary ceasefire to prevent the deaths of fleeing civilians when he shelled them just yesterday. If Russia will break a promise just so it can murder more civilians, then it will not allow any real concessions.

The problem with the Russian gov is that not only are their promises and treaties not worth the paper they are written on, they seem to be in a default belief that the exact same goes for everybody else's promises and treaties with them.

Anyway great news for Ukraine if they do manage to end the war. Russia has already lost and is lost anyway.

[Esthe]

There is nothing emptier than a Russian promise. Putin swiftly broke a temporary ceasefire to prevent the deaths of fleeing civilians when he shelled them just yesterday. If Russia will break a promise just so it can murder more civilians, then it will not allow any real concessions.

And yet, I will hope. No matter what, peace will eventually come.

And it will come when we all get nuked.

[Sky Reavers]

And it will come when we all get nuked.

Or maybe not? Nuke use is basically suicide for all and no one will benefit. (I hope it won't come to this.)

[Asherahan]

Ukraine started existing in the 90s for the first time as its own entity with its own history and I dont see it having gone through anything like this before.

Not my fault you don’t know history then

Yeah sure whatever you say vs actual written history.

[Esthe]

And it will come when we all get nuked.

Or maybe not? Nuke use is basically suicide for all and no one will benefit. (I hope it won't come to this.)

It will, eventually.

[HISPIDA]

Ukriane has survived far worse. Russia ultimately can’t win this war.

Ukraine started existing in the 90s for the first time as its own entity with its own history and I dont see it having gone through anything like this before.

ukraine's existed as a tangible nation since the 1400's (and arguably the 900's) my man

even if a ukrainian national identity didn't emerge until 1918 (which is hilariously false) a ukrainian government still would have existed in some form since 1918; like russia, belarus, kazakhstan, &c., ukraine was a member nation of the USSR and not under suzerainty from a foreign power

[Adamede]

Not my fault you don’t know history then

Yeah sure whatever you say vs actual written history.

Glad you can at least see your hypocrisy. Like it or not but Ukraine is a distinct nation with a distinct culture and history separate from Russia. Being ruled over by the Russian empire and then Soviets for centuries doesn’t change that.

[Asherahan]

Yeah sure whatever you say vs actual written history.

Glad you can at least see your hypocrisy. Like it or not but Ukraine is a distinct nation with a distinct culture and history separate from Russia. Being ruled over by the Russian empire and then Soviets for centuries doesn’t change that.

I call bullshit on that but sure stick with your fanfiction.

[Diarcesia]

So not only is the UK government locking Ukrainian refugees out of the processing centres, they’re being expected to cough up €75 to get a refugee visa to enter the UK.

Send Boris to supermax

Yo he, yo ho

[Rusozak]

Glad you can at least see your hypocrisy. Like it or not but Ukraine is a distinct nation with a distinct culture and history separate from Russia. Being ruled over by the Russian empire and then Soviets for centuries doesn’t change that.

I call bullshit on that but sure stick with your fanfiction.

Look, a 20 second google search doesn't make you an expert on Ukraine. Just because the government and it's current constitution is fairly new doesn't mean the nation and its people are. By that logic France didn't exist before 1958.

[The North Polish Union]

I call bullshit on that but sure stick with your fanfiction.

Look, a 20 second google search doesn't make you an expert on Ukraine. Just because the government and it's current constitution is fairly new doesn't mean the nation and its people are. By that logic France didn't exist before 1958.

Bear in mind that you're talking to a guy that used to be an unironic Stalinist, although his forum sig seems to indicate that he's since moved on to an even more niche fracture of communism that nobody's ever heard of.

[The Jamesian Republic]

You know I though of something. Putin is doing this to rebuild the Soviet Union and you know there was a time up until August 1991 that the Soviet Union would have survived albeit the Baltic States Georgia Armenia and Moldova would have left. Ukraine voted remain but after the coup wanted out.

Is this an example of the butterfly effect?