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Deblar wrote:

Picairn wrote:Russian airstrike destroys children's hospital in Mariupol

Denazification so effective, it even wipes out the kids! /s

It's shit like this that makes me seriously question just how some people can unironically support Russia at this point

It's easy for people to brush this kind of thing off as collateral damage if they support the broader war.

Deblar wrote:

Picairn wrote:Russian airstrike destroys children's hospital in Mariupol

Denazification so effective, it even wipes out the kids! /s

It's shit like this that makes me seriously question just how some people can unironically support Russia at this point

Because lines on a map and agreements that were never signed are more important than human lives.

Picairn wrote:Russian airstrike destroys children's hospital in Mariupol

Denazification so effective, it even wipes out the kids! /s

Is this the second or third children's hospital so far? Russian war efforts have gone from war crimes to flat out slaughtering as many innocent civilians they can, hopefully the whole lot of those murderers can be captured and tried.

This is a war, to destroy the ukranian nation, and perhaps even the ukranian people.
Putin is very alike Hitler.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:

Christian Confederation wrote:It's not Surender It's saving your skin

If you lose something to save your skin. I'd say it's a conditional surrender.

I'd take a reasonable conditional Surender over an unreasonable unconstitutional Surender any day.

So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

We'd get nuked.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

Its not going to happen so no point even speculating.

Ifreann wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

It'd get nuked.

Okay.

After paying attention to this situation I’ve been trying think of a way we can stop the Russians without nukes, because sanctions don’t work and neither does revoking western companies. The only option is war but I can’t seem to find a scenario that doesn’t result in the annihilation of Earth.

San Lumen wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

Its not going to happen so no point even speculating.

There's no need to speculate, there would be an immediate nuclear response from Russia. They'd nuke everyone. That's why NATO obviously won't attack Russia. No one wants to get nuked.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

Again I’d like to not die a virgin neet

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Its not going to happen so no point even speculating.

There's no need to speculate, there would be an immediate nuclear response from Russia. They'd nuke everyone. That's why NATO obviously won't attack Russia. No one wants to get nuked.

But what can we do? Our diplomatic efforts aren’t working.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

End of the world as we know it

San Lumen wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

Its not going to happen so no point even speculating.

I see you’ve not grasped the concept of speculation.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:

Ifreann wrote:There's no need to speculate, there would be an immediate nuclear response from Russia. They'd nuke everyone. That's why NATO obviously won't attack Russia. No one wants to get nuked.

But what can we do? Our diplomatic efforts aren’t working.

Give it time. Sanctions will work but they aren’t an automatic thing. A month or two down the road and shit will end up hurting more.

Also if we go after investments it will hurt them even more.

The only other thing is to start killing high ranking Russian officials, which is a bad idea

Christian Confederation wrote:

Holy Tedalonia wrote:If you lose something to save your skin. I'd say it's a conditional surrender.

I'd take a reasonable conditional Surender over an unreasonable unconstitutional Surender any day.

Either your first Language is German, or Republicans just have more Trouble speaking English than their oh-so-loathed Immigrants and Foreigners.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

WWIII starts and the whole human race can kiss its sorry ass goodbye.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:After paying attention to this situation I’ve been trying think of a way we can stop the Russians without nukes, because sanctions don’t work and neither does revoking western companies. The only option is war but I can’t seem to find a scenario that doesn’t result in the annihilation of Earth.

Maybe because anything further than what we're doing now will result in nuclear armageddon. And in the grand scheme of things we're doing a lot right now. The sanctions for once actually are destroying the Russian economy, we're arming the Ukrainians out the ears, and the bear is for the time being bogged down in an unpopular war that they weren't prepared for. Consider that the solution for the conflict is not INTERVENTION NOW!!! and that this damned war will require time to resolve, as horrible as that is considering all the innocent blood that Russia has on its hands.

Deblar wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

WWIII starts and the whole human race can kiss its sorry ass goodbye.

Not the entire human race, just a few billion

Thermodolia wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
But what can we do? Our diplomatic efforts aren’t working.

Give it time. Sanctions will work but they aren’t an automatic thing. A month or two down the road and shit will end up hurting more.

Also if we go after investments it will hurt them even more.

The only other thing is to start killing high ranking Russian officials, which is a bad idea

I guess that would work.

Adamede wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

Again I’d like to not die a virgin neet

Volunteer so you'll only die a virgin, it's pretty simple

The Jamesian Republic wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It'd get nuked.

Okay.

After paying attention to this situation I’ve been trying think of a way we can stop the Russians without nukes, because sanctions don’t work and neither does revoking western companies. The only option is war but I can’t seem to find a scenario that doesn’t result in the annihilation of Earth.

Nuclear war would not “annihilate the earth”.

It could kill millions. Maybe hundreds of millions. Out of billions.

Nuclear weapons now are actually much fewer in number and less powerful but more accurate than they were during most of the Cold War.

Now obviously millions dead in the immediate impact, not counted those killed by starvation and disease resulting from infrastructure damage, would be really bad. We do not want that.

Which is why even most advocates of NATO intervention only advocate a limited Kargil War type situation, not trying to go full Carl XXII/Napoleon/Hitler, which we obviously lack the military manpower to even do anyways. Trying to go full Iraq 2003 (vs Iraq 1990 which is more like what we would at most actually try) might very well become strategic nuclear war, and even if it did not we could not occupy all Russia.
So it is silly and a straw man because basically nobody has said we should try.

We could relatively easily drive Russia out of the parts of Ukraine it has occupied since February 2022.

And Russia would almost certainly NOT use nuclear weapons in such a case because they would lose far more from doing so vs being forced to retreat from the areas the occupied in the last two weeks
From a cost benefit analysis it would not benefit either side to use nuclear weapons.

It is not a binary choice between do nothing and Barbarossa 2.0 with strategic nukes.
There is huge number of possibilities in the two.

Thermodolia wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

End of the world as we know it

and i feel fine

Deblar wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:So what would happen if the United States NATO and its non NATO allies began all at once a major assault on Russia?

WWIII starts and the whole human race can kiss its sorry ass goodbye.

No. While we would see huge portions of the Northern hemisphere devastated if we some how tried to go full Napoleon followed by strategic nuclear war, it would not kill the human race.

South America and Sub Saharan Africa might replace North America and Europe as the dominant powers in the Atlantic region sure.

Millions to hundreds of millions die.

The world would be radically changed. But humans would not die out.

Novus America wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Okay.

After paying attention to this situation I’ve been trying think of a way we can stop the Russians without nukes, because sanctions don’t work and neither does revoking western companies. The only option is war but I can’t seem to find a scenario that doesn’t result in the annihilation of Earth.

Nuclear war would not “annihilate the earth”.

It could kill millions. Maybe hundreds of millions. Out of billions.

Nuclear weapons now are actually much fewer in number and less powerful but more accurate than they were during most of the Cold War.

Now obviously millions dead in the immediate impact, not counted those killed by starvation and disease resulting from infrastructure damage, would be really bad. We do not want that.

Which is why even most advocates of NATO intervention only advocate a limited Kargil War type situation, not trying to go full Carl XXII/Napoleon/Hitler, which we obviously lack the military manpower to even do anyways. Trying to go full Iraq 2003 (vs Iraq 1990 which is more like what we would at most actually try) might very well become strategic nuclear war, and even if it did not we could not occupy all Russia.
So it is silly and a straw man because basically nobody has said we should try.

We could relatively easily drive Russia out of the parts of Ukraine it has occupied since February 2022.

And Russia would almost certainly NOT use nuclear weapons in such a case because they would lose far more from doing so vs being forced to retreat from the areas the occupied in the last two weeks
From a cost benefit analysis it would not benefit either side to use nuclear weapons.

It is not a binary choice between do nothing and Barbarossa 2.0 with strategic nukes.
There is huge number of possibilities in the two.

I understand that. This is just me being angry/sad over what is happening and it just feels like nothing is working.