Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Free Algerstonia]

*Russia has blocked Facebook, Twitter, BBC, Deutsche Welle, Radio Free Europe, Meduza, and both Apple and Samsung's app stores
*Kherson has fallen
*Heavy fighting taking place in the surrounding cities of Kyiv with Ukraine taking back Irpin, a place heavily damaged likely by Russian forces
*Russian fleet mobilizing to prepare an assault on Odessa
*Belarussian further involvement with more Belarussian missiles launched alongside Belarussian paratroopers being mobilized
*Unconfirmed more men in Russia being mobilized
*Putin expected to declare martial law within the next hours
*Around 90% of pre-prepared Russian units are fighting in Ukraine

Odessa is west of the Dnieper river in western Ukraine. If the Russians manage to take Odessa then more then likely they will head to Transnistria (which is pro-Russian) which is 126 km. (78 miles) from that city. Wonder if they would break away Transnistria from Moldova or just take both. Wonder if Romania would accept Russian troops entering the Budjak area which is west of the Dniester river and next to Romania.

Vladimir Putin's trusty goofball sidekick Lukashenko could've leaked Russian intent to invade and annex Transnistria, actually. So, Odessa is crucial not only for the Ukrainian invasions but also Russian territorial ambitions in Moldova.

[Rio Cana]

Still think Poland and Romania should ask Ukraine to give them permission to establish a type of safe zone inside parts of Western Ukraine under there control. I do not think even the Russians would go into those zones since it would not be to there advantage. Moldova should also be included.

[Free Algerstonia]

[San Lumen]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... tern-firms


Ikea closes all stores and factories in Russia amid exodus of western firms
Top brands from M&S to Apple, Jaguar Land Rover, Expedia and Coca-Cola are suspending operations

[Luminesa]

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That last panel his face says, “I may have done an oopsie, Vlad-sempai.”

[El Lazaro]

Odessa is west of the Dnieper river in western Ukraine. If the Russians manage to take Odessa then more then likely they will head to Transnistria (which is pro-Russian) which is 126 km. (78 miles) from that city. Wonder if they would break away Transnistria from Moldova or just take both. Wonder if Romania would accept Russian troops entering the Budjak area which is west of the Dniester river and next to Romania.

Vladimir Putin's trusty goofball sidekick Lukashenko could've leaked Russian intent to invade and annex Transnistria, actually. So, Odessa is crucial not only for the Ukrainian invasions but also Russian territorial ambitions in Moldova.

I think it’s suspicious, not conclusive. It seems like it could likely be disinfo, but I don’t see what this case would achieve.

[Adamede]

Still think Poland and Romania should ask Ukraine to give them permission to establish a type of safe zone inside parts of Western Ukraine under there control. I do not think even the Russians would go into those zones since it would not be to there advantage. Moldova should also be included.

Russia would see that as "aggression" by NATO and launch the nukes.

[San Lumen]

Still think Poland and Romania should ask Ukraine to give them permission to establish a type of safe zone inside parts of Western Ukraine under there control. I do not think even the Russians would go into those zones since it would not be to there advantage. Moldova should also be included.

Russia would see that as "aggression" by NATO and launch the nukes.

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

[Tarsonis]

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[Adamede]

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That last panel his face says, “I may have done an oopsie, Vlad-sempai.”

It's alright, he'll just have to make do with being a private in the new Soviet Army.

[Adamede]

Russia would see that as "aggression" by NATO and launch the nukes.

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

If NATO gets involved it very likely would.

[El Lazaro]

Russia would see that as "aggression" by NATO and launch the nukes.

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

I disagree with your opinion, so I’ll nuke you because that’s how things work.

[Adamede]

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

I disagree with your opinion, so I’ll nuke you because that’s how things work.

NATO entering western Ukraine isn't a difference in opinion.

[San Lumen]

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

I disagree with your opinion, so I’ll nuke you because that’s how things work.

No one wants the end of the world. Putin doesn't want Moscow vaporized.

[El Lazaro]

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

If NATO gets involved it very likely would.

Still waiting for the atomic hellfire

[Adamede]

If NATO gets involved it very likely would.

Still waiting for the atomic hellfire

I ain't talking about a proxy war man.

[San Lumen]

Still waiting for the atomic hellfire

I ain't talking about a proxy war man.

There is not going to be nuclear war.

[El Lazaro]

Still waiting for the atomic hellfire

I ain't talking about a proxy war man.

Nuclear armed country supplying troops to country being invaded by other nuclear armed country, literally never been heard of

[Luminesa]

That last panel his face says, “I may have done an oopsie, Vlad-sempai.”

It's alright, he'll just have to make do with being a private in the new Soviet Army.

I don’t think he can get his rotund deriere into a uniform, but it’d be funny to see him try.

[Adamede]

I ain't talking about a proxy war man.

Nuclear armed country supplying troops to country being invaded by other nuclear armed country, literally never been heard of

I'm talking about NATO putting boots on the ground.

[San Lumen]

Nuclear armed country supplying troops to country being invaded by other nuclear armed country, literally never been heard of

I'm talking about NATO putting boots on the ground.

I very much doubt that will happen.

[Novus America]

Stop with the nuclear weapon talk. No one is going to be launching nukes.

If NATO gets involved it very likely would.

No. Actually two nuclear powers are LESS likely to use nukes. Because the other can use them back.
It seems half the people here based their knowledge of nuclear doctrine on GI Joe Retaliation.

From a cost benefit analysis it makes more sense to use nukes on someone who does NOT have them.
Because the cost for you is less. If Russia is not willing to use them against Ukraine they are even less likely to use them against NATO!

You can see this in history. When the US had overwhelming nuclear superiority we relied heavily on nukes, and as the Soviets increased their nuclear arsenal we actually switched to more CONVENTIONAL weapons.

Because they could be used against the Soviets without starting a nuclear war.

Nukes would only likely to be used as an absolute last resort.
Short of NATO putting Moscow in a similar situation to Kharkiv Russia is not likely to use nuclear weapons.

I posted this multiple times but people still go with the ludicrous “hur durr NATO and Russia will fire nukes without logic or question the second they come into direct conventional conflict”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4
This is actually a good illustration, the huge cost of using nukes on a nuclear power makes them very difficult to use if you do get into a conventional conflict.

[Umeria]

No. Actually two nuclear powers are LESS likely to use nukes. Because the other can use them back.

The danger here is not that someone would intentionally do a nuclear first strike, it's that tensions can get so high that one communication error can make someone think that the other side deployed a nuke, and launch nukes themselves in response.

[Umeria]

accidentally posted this twice

[Bombadil]

I disagree with your opinion, so I’ll nuke you because that’s how things work.

No one wants the end of the world. Putin doesn't want Moscow vaporized.

Do you have some direct line to Putin.. no one knows what's in his mind but if he threatens nuclear conflict then no doubt he's prepared to get into nuclear conflict.