Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Jerzylvania]

That's a good way to putin it.



Oh, for the appetizer, yes. The main menu may be have many more courses once the election comes.

One war at a time Mr. Seward, one war at a time.

Hey Abe, i can get us Alaska for $7.2 million USD and keep us from suffering nukes based there 100 years from now.

[Prima Scriptura]

Funny, I don’t see a source here. Just weasel words.

Russia is not liberating Ukraine. This is not true. According to polls by independent sources, only a third of the Ukrainian population is opposed to the government. And the opposition is being done by fringe groups, attendance of these fringe groups has been rather small unfortunately due to Ukrainian nationalism.

"Weasel words" isn't an indicator of truthfulness or otherwise. If I say "most people believe grass is green" that isn't wrong. Lol.

It's entirely believable that the majority of the Russian population don't care or support Putin. More than half of them are over 40 and watch TV as their primary news source! Sanctions will only increase his support base.

Wait a minute, are you are claiming that Ukrainian support the Russian invasion? Or am I reading this wrong.

[Tarsonis]

Apparently Putin told state media the invasion is going according to plan. Obviously it's propaganda, but If true that's somehow more embarrassing than having gotten it wrong

I mean they’ve already shown that their days as a world power are over.

Still, having a plan that goes off the rails is more respectable and understandable than admitting you invaded a country with a half backed plan a 6 y/o could have poked holes in

[El Lazaro]

Russian state propaganda cited in a famously untrustworthy tabloid that skews hard to the right, awesome source

Levada Center is not Russian state propaganda. It is not even Russian state owned. It's even been classed as a foreign agent per Russia's foreign agent law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian ... _agent_law

It was threatened with that status for almost publishing a poll that showed falling approval for Putin’s ally party and has had its staff repeatedly replaced by the Kremlin, it’s so reliable and totally couldn’t be publishing fake polls

[Ethel mermania]

Most of the party is not with Trump on this, Thankfully. If anything this makes it less likely that Trump gets the 2024 nomination, thankfully

But the right-wing media machine is. Not to mention that the outspoken supporters are the ones who appeal most heavily to conspiracy theories rampant in the Republican Party while supposed “RINOs” are the ones speaking out against it.

Not really, even Bill O'Reilly is calling out specific fox hosts for their crap. The Murdock papers are positively gingoistic in a 1950's anti communist sort of way. The op-eds are give them drones and javelins, they are cursing Biden out for not cutting off Russian oil. In that sense, good.

[Gallia-]

Russia is not liberating Ukraine. This is not true. According to polls by independent sources, only a third of the Ukrainian population is opposed to the government. And the opposition is being done by fringe groups, attendance of these fringe groups has been rather small unfortunately due to Ukrainian nationalism.

"Weasel words" isn't an indicator of truthfulness or otherwise. If I say "most people believe grass is green" that isn't wrong. Lol.

It's entirely believable that the majority of the Russian population don't care or support Putin. More than half of them are over 40 and watch TV as their primary news source! Sanctions will only increase his support base.

Wait a minute, are you are claiming that Ukrainian support the Russian invasion? Or am I reading this wrong.

I said a true thing using the thing you said was fake in a snowclone form.

Also sad to see An-225 die. It means we won't have National Treasure 4, which would basically be Con Air + Space Cowboys + Moonraker, where Nick Cage has to steal the An-225 to steal the Buran to go to Elon Musk's death satellite to save the world and steal the only TSLA NFT stored in a secure orbital data vault.

[Ethel mermania]

If it were me I wouldn't have a battle in a nuclear power plant.

Putin is not a rationale person.

I would think putin didn't write up the specific battle plsns.

[Grenartia]

NBC News is reporting that the Ukrainian government is indicating the fire was in a training room, and that the reactors are not damaged. Saw it on the livestream via Pluto, actual website does not have this update (as of yet).

[Free Algerstonia]

Levada Center is not Russian state propaganda. It is not even Russian state owned. It's even been classed as a foreign agent per Russia's foreign agent law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian ... _agent_law

It was threatened with that status for almost publishing a poll that showed falling approval for Putin’s ally party and has had its staff repeatedly replaced by the Kremlin, it’s so reliable and totally couldn’t be publishing fake polls

The threatening did not work, because it was actively labeled as a foreign agent company in 2016, the same year in which a pro-Kremlin group titled Anti-Madian called for it to be blacklisted in Russia. Levada Center is also included in a weekly Radio Free Europe broadcast, and is included in a Freedom House list of independent analytical centers. I doubt that it's been infiltrated by the Kremlin.

[Adamede]

Russia is not liberating Ukraine. This is not true. According to polls by independent sources, only a third of the Ukrainian population is opposed to the government. And the opposition is being done by fringe groups, attendance of these fringe groups has been rather small unfortunately due to Ukrainian nationalism.

"Weasel words" isn't an indicator of truthfulness or otherwise. If I say "most people believe grass is green" that isn't wrong. Lol.

It's entirely believable that the majority of the Russian population don't care or support Putin. More than half of them are over 40 and watch TV as their primary news source! Sanctions will only increase his support base.

Wait a minute, are you are claiming that Ukrainian support the Russian invasion? Or am I reading this wrong.

All of their comments are pretty pro-Russian, so yes.

[Prima Scriptura]

Wait a minute, are you are claiming that Ukrainian support the Russian invasion? Or am I reading this wrong.

I said a true thing using the thing you said was fake in a snowclone form.

Also sad to see An-225 die. It means we won't have National Treasure 4, which would basically be Con Air + Space Cowboys + Moonraker, where Nick Cage has to steal the An-225 to steal the Buran to go to Elon Musk's death satellite to save the world and steal the only TSLA NFT stored in a secure orbital data vault.

what?

[Gallia-]

I said a true thing using the thing you said was fake in a snowclone form.

Also sad to see An-225 die. It means we won't have National Treasure 4, which would basically be Con Air + Space Cowboys + Moonraker, where Nick Cage has to steal the An-225 to steal the Buran to go to Elon Musk's death satellite to save the world and steal the only TSLA NFT stored in a secure orbital data vault.

what?

"Weasel words" is a lazy and dismissive non-argument when discussing truthfulness of a statement. If you think Putin is somehow less popular with the Russian public because of Ukraine and the sanctions you're probably wrong. The only people protesting are young people, this is accurate. 30% might be accurate for the age bracket overall, assuming there's a baby bump somewhere in there, but it's more likely that it's just 18-30 year olds, and even then it would likely be a minority because most young people in Russia have jobs and stuff.

The closest to a "protest" might be a person who has a "say no to war" safety button. This is not a threat to the state, it's a freedom of expression of pacifism.

[Prima Scriptura]

what?

"Weasel words" is a lazy and dismissive non-argument when discussing truthfulness of a statement.

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

[Gallia-]

"Weasel words" is a lazy and dismissive non-argument when discussing truthfulness of a statement.

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

Work on your reading comprehension idk.

Or go drink a glass of water, take a few minutes to think about what I wrote, and come back when you're refreshed.

[Free Algerstonia]

Wait a minute, are you are claiming that Ukrainian support the Russian invasion? Or am I reading this wrong.

I said a true thing using the thing you said was fake in a snowclone form.

Also sad to see An-225 die. It means we won't have National Treasure 4, which would basically be Con Air + Space Cowboys + Moonraker, where Nick Cage has to steal the An-225 to steal the Buran to go to Elon Musk's death satellite to save the world and steal the only TSLA NFT stored in a secure orbital data vault.

nice argument, unfortunately lukashenko warplans leak on the nintendo ds wii sports subreddit internet explorer

[Grenartia]

"Weasel words" is a lazy and dismissive non-argument when discussing truthfulness of a statement.

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

"Buht da not-zees"

[San Lumen]

NBC News is reporting that the Ukrainian government is indicating the fire was in a training room, and that the reactors are not damaged. Saw it on the livestream via Pluto, actual website does not have this update (as of yet).

Can you share it when the website has it?

[Heloin]

Putin is not a rationale person.

I would think putin didn't write up the specific battle plsns.

A man of many talents. Some talents being less skillful than others granted.

[Grenartia]

NBC News is reporting that the Ukrainian government is indicating the fire was in a training room, and that the reactors are not damaged. Saw it on the livestream via Pluto, actual website does not have this update (as of yet).

Can you share it when the website has it?

I fully intend to.

[Gallia-]

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

"Buht da not-zees"

This is not true. According to polls by independent sources, only a third of the Russian population does not support the war. And the protests are being done by fringe groups, attendance in the protests has been rather small unfortunately due to Russian crackdown.

This is not true. According to polls by independent sources, only a third of the Ukrainian population is opposed to the government. And the opposition is being done by fringe groups, attendance of these fringe groups has been rather small unfortunately due to Ukrainian nationalism.

Lol.

The point is that you can say something true without a source or using "weasel words".

Just say you don't believe it because you don't want it to be true. Be honest instead of making a dismissive non-statement.

Everyone does it. The Russian planners who started this war don't want to believe that Ukrainians wouldn't welcome them as liberators. Westerners who are terminally online don't want to believe that Russians wouldn't protest Putin and bring down his government and usher in Barack Obama as President of Russia or something.

[Arlenton]

They are long past the fail-safe point in political damage control.

Most of the party is not with Trump on this, Thankfully. If anything this makes it less likely that Trump gets the 2024 nomination, thankfully

Trump's not even with "Trump" on this.

[The H Corporation]

Can someone give me a heads up of the current situation?

[Prima Scriptura]

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

"Buht da not-zees"

Well, Ukrainian “Nazis” are fighting for their sovereignty and right to self-determination, thus supporting a Jewish President.

[Adamede]

No, it isn’t. What makes you think the Ukrainians support the Russians invading them and killing their civilians?

"Buht da not-zees"

Funny enough all the Nazis online are cheering on the Russians.

[El Lazaro]

But the right-wing media machine is. Not to mention that the outspoken supporters are the ones who appeal most heavily to conspiracy theories rampant in the Republican Party while supposed “RINOs” are the ones speaking out against it.

Not really, even Bill O'Reilly is calling out specific fox hosts for their crap. The Murdock papers are positively gingoistic in a 1950's anti communist sort of way. The op-eds are give them drones and javelins, they are cursing Biden out for not cutting off Russian oil. In that sense, good.

Fox News is among the less extreme Republican media and the Fox News hosts you’re talking about dwarf Bill O’Reilly in viewership. Given that Trump attacked right-wing MSM and sowed GOP distrust, and the booming prevelance of much more radical online alt media, information consumed by Republicans is conflicted as a whole. Which is good, because confusion leads to questioning, and questioning leads to thinking, hopefully.