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Postby Hispida » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:16 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Hispida wrote:that sounds almost tantamount to romanian annexation, something moldova adamantly does not want.


Romania actually wants to annex Moldova but via a referendum. Moldovans are Romanian speakers and were part of Romania. They say at least 50% of Moldovans have Romanian passports. And Romania has been helping Moldova diversify its energy demands by connecting them to Romanian utilities. This will result in Moldova having to rely less on Russian energy sources.

34.4% of moldovans wish to join romania. that's absurdly low.
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Postby Keemstar » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:17 pm

Just use this to beat the Russians. We should finish it and give it to the Ukrainians.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:17 pm

Tarsonis wrote:Now this is interesting. According to Ukraine, the FSB (Russian Intelligence) tipped the Ukraine government about the Chechyns being sent in to Kyiv. If true, that is a staggering development, for the Russian Intelligence to be undermining the invasion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... e-assassin

Got a feeling they're either not thrilled about it or Putin is trying to get the various personal armies of the warlords in his country killed.
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Postby Ayytaly » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:19 pm

Keemstar wrote:Just use this to beat the Russians. We should finish it and give it to the Ukrainians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb


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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:20 pm

Union of the Blower States wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time reported on the losses in Ukraine: 498 soldiers were killed
The losses of the Ukrainian side, according to the department, amounted to 2870 people, about 3700 people were injured. In addition, the Ministry of Defense announced that it had captured 572 military armies of Ukraine.

"The information spread by many Western and individual Russian media about the allegedly" incalculable "losses of the Russian group is deliberate disinformation," said Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the department.

The numbers indicated by the Ministry of Defense are indeed significantly different from the data previously published by the Ukrainian authorities.
On Wednesday morning, the General Staff of Ukraine announced the losses of the Russian army at 5840 people (previously, the UNIAN agency specified that not only the dead, but also the wounded were entered in this column).

Earlier, Western media, citing their sources, estimated the number of dead Russian military at about 1.5 - 2 thousand.

Russian troops invaded Ukraine last Thursday, but until today the Defense Ministry, while admitting casualties, has not released any figures. However, the heads of the regions gradually began to publish separate messages about the dead.

On the eve of the death of two natives of Chechnya and the injury of six more, said the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov. The governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexei Russkikh, spoke about two dead soldiers from the 31st airborne brigade.

What is known about the captured Russian military

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine published an appeal in which it called on relatives of the Russian military to use the online platform "Look for yours" to search for information about the dead or captured military. The site "Look for your own" was blocked by Roskomnadzor on the same day at the request of the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia.

The Russian regional authorities announced that the purpose of such resources is to collect data on Russian military personnel "on order of Ukrainian and Western intelligence services."

Yah take those numbers with the same grain of salt that you would take the Ukrainian ones.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:21 pm

Rio Cana wrote:According to WION news, the Belarus Pres. was seen with a large map which suggest Moldova is next. Has I said before, NATO cannot let Moldova, which just has 6000 troops, fall to the Russians. Romania should be convincing the Moldovan Pres. to allow Romanian troops to enter Moldova up to the Dniester river. East of the Dniester river is Transnistria which unofficially is its own nation. They have 2000 Russian troops plus 10000 local military.

No the map shows the Russian troops in the Russian held area of Moldova attacking Ukraine from the west.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:22 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Hispida wrote:that sounds almost tantamount to romanian annexation, something moldova adamantly does not want.


Romania actually wants to annex Moldova but via a referendum. Moldovans are Romanian speakers and were part of Romania. They say at least 50% of Moldovans have Romanian passports. And Romania has been helping Moldova diversify its energy demands by connecting them to Romanian utilities. This will result in Moldova having to rely less on Russian energy sources.

Most Moldovans who get a Romanian passport do it because they want to go to Western Europe.
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:30 pm

The Lusatian Republic wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
Romania actually wants to annex Moldova but via a referendum. Moldovans are Romanian speakers and were part of Romania. They say at least 50% of Moldovans have Romanian passports. And Romania has been helping Moldova diversify its energy demands by connecting them to Romanian utilities.

Support for unification in Moldova isn't nearly as widespread as it is in Romania.

This is cope, all of Europe west of Ukraine and south of Poland is rightful clay of the Romanian Empire. Everyone knows it and reuniting Romania is just the first step in acknowledging reality.

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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:31 pm

Hispida wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
Romania actually wants to annex Moldova but via a referendum. Moldovans are Romanian speakers and were part of Romania. They say at least 50% of Moldovans have Romanian passports. And Romania has been helping Moldova diversify its energy demands by connecting them to Romanian utilities. This will result in Moldova having to rely less on Russian energy sources.

34.4% of moldovans wish to join romania. that's absurdly low.


According to a poll by iData, up to 44% of Moldovans may support unification with Romania.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:32 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
The Lusatian Republic wrote:Support for unification in Moldova isn't nearly as widespread as it is in Romania.

This is cope, all of Europe west of Ukraine and south of Poland is rightful clay of the Romanian Empire. Everyone knows it and reuniting Romania is just the first step in acknowledging reality.

This is precisely correct. All the remainder that's not part of the Romanian Empire gets to be part of IV Rzeczpospolita. 8)
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:36 pm

Union of the Blower States wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time reported on the losses in Ukraine: 498 soldiers were killed
The losses of the Ukrainian side, according to the department, amounted to 2870 people, about 3700 people were injured. In addition, the Ministry of Defense announced that it had captured 572 military armies of Ukraine.

"The information spread by many Western and individual Russian media about the allegedly" incalculable "losses of the Russian group is deliberate disinformation," said Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the department.

The numbers indicated by the Ministry of Defense are indeed significantly different from the data previously published by the Ukrainian authorities.
On Wednesday morning, the General Staff of Ukraine announced the losses of the Russian army at 5840 people (previously, the UNIAN agency specified that not only the dead, but also the wounded were entered in this column).

Earlier, Western media, citing their sources, estimated the number of dead Russian military at about 1.5 - 2 thousand.

Russian troops invaded Ukraine last Thursday, but until today the Defense Ministry, while admitting casualties, has not released any figures. However, the heads of the regions gradually began to publish separate messages about the dead.

On the eve of the death of two natives of Chechnya and the injury of six more, said the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov. The governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexei Russkikh, spoke about two dead soldiers from the 31st airborne brigade.

What is known about the captured Russian military

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine published an appeal in which it called on relatives of the Russian military to use the online platform "Look for yours" to search for information about the dead or captured military. The site "Look for your own" was blocked by Roskomnadzor on the same day at the request of the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia.

The Russian regional authorities announced that the purpose of such resources is to collect data on Russian military personnel "on order of Ukrainian and Western intelligence services."

This is the funniest estimate I’ve seen yet. US/UK info is probably closest to accurate with potential inaccuracies stemming from lack of info, Ukraine is biased but has the greatest ability to estimate, and we probably have camera evidence of more than 500 Russian troops being killed. The only conclusion that can drawn is that Ukraine is winning, just not by the margin they claim. It’s also probable that Russia is counting civilians as combatants because they sure seem to be treating them like that.

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Postby Keemstar » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:36 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Keemstar wrote:Just use this to beat the Russians. We should finish it and give it to the Ukrainians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb


Bet it's soy-based.


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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:42 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:This is cope, all of Europe west of Ukraine and south of Poland is rightful clay of the Romanian Empire. Everyone knows it and reuniting Romania is just the first step in acknowledging reality.

This is precisely correct. All the remainder that's not part of the Romanian Empire gets to be part of IV Rzeczpospolita. 8)

That’s too far, forcing people to try to speak Polish is a a moral evil. The fact that we have a case of a Pole who didn’t face punishment for his war crimes and against German officers is proof enough that “justice” is on the side of the victor.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:45 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time reported on the losses in Ukraine: 498 soldiers were killed
The losses of the Ukrainian side, according to the department, amounted to 2870 people, about 3700 people were injured. In addition, the Ministry of Defense announced that it had captured 572 military armies of Ukraine.

"The information spread by many Western and individual Russian media about the allegedly" incalculable "losses of the Russian group is deliberate disinformation," said Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the department.

The numbers indicated by the Ministry of Defense are indeed significantly different from the data previously published by the Ukrainian authorities.
On Wednesday morning, the General Staff of Ukraine announced the losses of the Russian army at 5840 people (previously, the UNIAN agency specified that not only the dead, but also the wounded were entered in this column).

Earlier, Western media, citing their sources, estimated the number of dead Russian military at about 1.5 - 2 thousand.

Russian troops invaded Ukraine last Thursday, but until today the Defense Ministry, while admitting casualties, has not released any figures. However, the heads of the regions gradually began to publish separate messages about the dead.

On the eve of the death of two natives of Chechnya and the injury of six more, said the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov. The governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexei Russkikh, spoke about two dead soldiers from the 31st airborne brigade.

What is known about the captured Russian military

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine published an appeal in which it called on relatives of the Russian military to use the online platform "Look for yours" to search for information about the dead or captured military. The site "Look for your own" was blocked by Roskomnadzor on the same day at the request of the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia.

The Russian regional authorities announced that the purpose of such resources is to collect data on Russian military personnel "on order of Ukrainian and Western intelligence services."

This is the funniest estimate I’ve seen yet. US/UK info is probably closest to accurate with potential inaccuracies stemming from lack of info, Ukraine is biased but has the greatest ability to estimate, and we probably have camera evidence of more than 500 Russian troops being killed. The only conclusion that can drawn is that Ukraine is winning, just not by the margin they claim. It’s also probable that Russia is counting civilians as combatants because they sure seem to be treating them like that.


I'd hardly say Ukraine is winning when Russia controls Ukrainian territory, is still advancing across basically every front, and doesn't appear to have fully deployed all forces available to it. Russia is behind schedule and is facing tougher resistance than they probably expected. That doesn't mean Russia is loosing though.
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:53 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:This is the funniest estimate I’ve seen yet. US/UK info is probably closest to accurate with potential inaccuracies stemming from lack of info, Ukraine is biased but has the greatest ability to estimate, and we probably have camera evidence of more than 500 Russian troops being killed. The only conclusion that can drawn is that Ukraine is winning, just not by the margin they claim. It’s also probable that Russia is counting civilians as combatants because they sure seem to be treating them like that.


I'd hardly say Ukraine is winning when Russia controls Ukrainian territory, is still advancing across basically every front, and doesn't appear to have fully deployed all forces available to it. Russia is behind schedule and is facing tougher resistance than they probably expected. That doesn't mean Russia is loosing though.

I meant in the sense of tactical victories, but Ukraine is faring pretty well when you consider the war as a whole. Russia has lost already and this is just a matter of Ukraine living to see the effects of it. Nonetheless, that’s going to make the next few days really nasty as Russia tries to stop it from happening.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:54 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Union of the Blower States wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time reported on the losses in Ukraine: 498 soldiers were killed
The losses of the Ukrainian side, according to the department, amounted to 2870 people, about 3700 people were injured. In addition, the Ministry of Defense announced that it had captured 572 military armies of Ukraine.

"The information spread by many Western and individual Russian media about the allegedly" incalculable "losses of the Russian group is deliberate disinformation," said Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the department.

The numbers indicated by the Ministry of Defense are indeed significantly different from the data previously published by the Ukrainian authorities.
On Wednesday morning, the General Staff of Ukraine announced the losses of the Russian army at 5840 people (previously, the UNIAN agency specified that not only the dead, but also the wounded were entered in this column).

Earlier, Western media, citing their sources, estimated the number of dead Russian military at about 1.5 - 2 thousand.

Russian troops invaded Ukraine last Thursday, but until today the Defense Ministry, while admitting casualties, has not released any figures. However, the heads of the regions gradually began to publish separate messages about the dead.

On the eve of the death of two natives of Chechnya and the injury of six more, said the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov. The governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexei Russkikh, spoke about two dead soldiers from the 31st airborne brigade.

What is known about the captured Russian military

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine published an appeal in which it called on relatives of the Russian military to use the online platform "Look for yours" to search for information about the dead or captured military. The site "Look for your own" was blocked by Roskomnadzor on the same day at the request of the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia.

The Russian regional authorities announced that the purpose of such resources is to collect data on Russian military personnel "on order of Ukrainian and Western intelligence services."

This is the funniest estimate I’ve seen yet. US/UK info is probably closest to accurate with potential inaccuracies stemming from lack of info, Ukraine is biased but has the greatest ability to estimate, and we probably have camera evidence of more than 500 Russian troops being killed. The only conclusion that can drawn is that Ukraine is winning, just not by the margin they claim. It’s also probable that Russia is counting civilians as combatants because they sure seem to be treating them like that.
"Winning", no. What Russia loses it has reserves with which to replace, while Ukraine is more or less at the mercy of whatever everybody else is willing to throw its way, to say nothing of expended human life, which is cheaper but much more limited. It, after all, takes decades to produce a person in fighting condition, so when you lose em you lose em.
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Postby Cosmic79 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:54 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:This is the funniest estimate I’ve seen yet. US/UK info is probably closest to accurate with potential inaccuracies stemming from lack of info, Ukraine is biased but has the greatest ability to estimate, and we probably have camera evidence of more than 500 Russian troops being killed. The only conclusion that can drawn is that Ukraine is winning, just not by the margin they claim. It’s also probable that Russia is counting civilians as combatants because they sure seem to be treating them like that.


I'd hardly say Ukraine is winning when Russia controls Ukrainian territory, is still advancing across basically every front, and doesn't appear to have fully deployed all forces available to it. Russia is behind schedule and is facing tougher resistance than they probably expected. That doesn't mean Russia is loosing though.


It only cost them hundreds of vehicles, dozens of aircraft units, thousands of troops

and their entire economy

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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:57 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:This is precisely correct. All the remainder that's not part of the Romanian Empire gets to be part of IV Rzeczpospolita. 8)

That’s too far, forcing people to try to speak Polish is a a moral evil. The fact that we have a case of a Pole who didn’t face punishment for his war crimes and against German officers is proof enough that “justice” is on the side of the victor.

What Grzegorz did was right and justified, he is a true hero of Poland!

His only 'crime' was making up his place of origin when Szczyrzyc is a real place.
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:02 pm

EU foreign policy chief is in Moldova. Supposedly, to help them when it comes to the flood of Ukrainians entering Moldova.
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Postby Novo Portugal » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:04 pm

Ukraine is loosing, it has been a week, Russia is advancing and it isn't using everything it has, you guys live in Disney if you think that this is winning.
Russia is invading and winning, they have a huge army and losing even 10000 man while taking half of Ukraine in the end, it won't be the end of Putin, he isn't a idiot or a mad despot that we paint him to be, he is a calculist imperialist dictator that knows how things work we shouldn't really think that Russia, its military and its government are a bunch of idiots.

Also, we should read the information about the moral of Russians carefully, don't really think that the information we get here is unbiased. Let's calm down on trying to understand everything with so little information on what's really going on.

With this being said, Ukraine is resisting fiercely and I applaud the national sentiment and patriotism of the Ukrainians. Hope they continue to put up the fight but it's a matter of time until it falls and they are forced to compromise, the sanctions can't go down for ever and so won't Ukraine's amazing resistence, if Russia succeeds in manage the sanctions until Europe needs their gas again, they will win the leverage again. Prices in electricity and gas in my country have more than doubled, and it's been one week.

This isn't at all linear and none of us can't really predict what happens next, not even the world leaders do with all the uncensored information, let alone us.
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The North Polish Union wrote:This is precisely correct. All the remainder that's not part of the Romanian Empire gets to be part of IV Rzeczpospolita. 8)

That’s too far, forcing people to try to speak Polish is a a moral evil. The fact that we have a case of a Pole who didn’t face punishment for his war crimes and against German officers is proof enough that “justice” is on the side of the victor.


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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:10 pm

Found out the largest ammo depot in Eastern Europe is in Transnistria which is pro-Russian so much that they want to join Russia. They even say that Transnistria resembles Russia. People there are majority ethnic Russians. Moldova should just cut them loose.

The 1,000 Russian soldiers in Transnistria are there to guard 22,000 tonnes of ammunition housed in a depot in the village of Cobasna – the site is thought to be the largest ammunition depot in Eastern Europe.

While Chisinau has repeatedly called for the materials to be evacuated, Moscow has been slow on its promises to take action on the matter. About 50 percent of the ammunition is out of date.


Source - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/1 ... ine-crisis
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Postby Cybus1 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:12 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Found out the largest ammo depot in Eastern Europe is in Transnistria which is pro-Russian so much that they want to join Russia. They even say that Transnistria resembles Russia. People there are majority ethnic Russians. Moldova should just cut them loose.

The 1,000 Russian soldiers in Transnistria are there to guard 22,000 tonnes of ammunition housed in a depot in the village of Cobasna – the site is thought to be the largest ammunition depot in Eastern Europe.

While Chisinau has repeatedly called for the materials to be evacuated, Moscow has been slow on its promises to take action on the matter. About 50 percent of the ammunition is out of date.


Source - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/1 ... ine-crisis

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