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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:55 am

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El Lazaro wrote:Russia only ever had asking power, not the ability to demand. China can project power into almost any country and destroy them without landing a single troop. Russia had the ability to inconvenience some people while destroying their own economy. They’re entirely different situations.

Sure but if the EU and US decided tomorrow that they didn’t need China, China would be in a world of trouble

The US and the EU would also be in a world of trouble; the West issuing crippling sanctions is just MAD for the economy. On the other hand, coordinated action on that scale is unlikely if China takes economic action against any one country. Aiding Ukraine is a small loss to kill a moderate risk. Stopping China on another country’s behalf would be a major loss while compliance ensures safety.
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Zurkerx wrote:Images of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko standing in front of map indicating Moldova invasion plans apparently. The map shows troop movements that have happened already but also some that have not happened yet. One of those movements include targeting Moldova's breakaway region, Transnistria. Moldova is a former Soviet State and is also not a member of NATO. It borders to Ukraine's Southwest and to Moldova's left is Romania.

Since that article doesn't have the pictures, and the video with it is just Blinken talking, here's the map:
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Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
Trying to confirm
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:59 am

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Caleonia wrote:Why would Eritrea not condemn? I understand the others… to some degree, but why Eritrea?

Eritrea is practically North Korea but in Africa


And also involved with invading their neighbours in the Ethiopian civil war.
Zurkerx wrote:Images of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko standing in front of map indicating Moldova invasion plans apparently. The map shows troop movements that have happened already but also some that have not happened yet. One of those movements include targeting Moldova's breakaway region, Transnistria. Moldova is a former Soviet State and is also not a member of NATO. It borders to Ukraine's Southwest and to Moldova's left is Romania.


What is this? Are they thinking of invading Moldova like I invade a second helping of Fanta at McDonalds when I’m leaving? Like, screw it, we’re already taking over Ukraine might as well drive into Moldova while we’re in the neighbourhood, or something?
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Postby Deblar » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:00 pm

Kowani wrote:Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
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If true, then damn. First Japan and now Sweden, Russia is trippin'
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Pentagon official says Russian troops have 'deliberately punched holes' in their own gas tanks in apparent attempts to avoid combat as morale declines: report

Some Russian troops have "deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks" as morale among the Russians declines, a senior US official said.

The troops appear to be self-sabotaging to avoid combat, the unnamed senior Pentagon official said, according to The New York Times. The official added that many of the Russian troops were young and inexperienced in combat and faced dwindling food and fuel resources.

Tuesday marked the sixth day of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, which prompted protests around the world, including in Russia. Explosions have rocked the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, as well as Ukraine's second-biggest city, Kharkiv, since Russia invaded.

As morale drops, some of the Russian troops have surrendered to Ukrainian forces "without a fight," a US senior defense official told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday.

The US official said there had been evidence "of a certain risk-averse behavior by the Russian military" since Russia launched its assault on Ukraine, CNN reported.

In response to Russia's assault, Western nations have levied heavy sanctions and other restrictive financial measures against the country, a move that Putin claimed was unlawful.


i heard the russians are also pulling around mobile crematoria to hide the millions of casaulties they've taken :eek:
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:02 pm

Kowani wrote:Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
Trying to confirm

Russian helicopter also violated Japanese air space from the sounds of it.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:04 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Images of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko standing in front of map indicating Moldova invasion plans apparently. The map shows troop movements that have happened already but also some that have not happened yet. One of those movements include targeting Moldova's breakaway region, Transnistria. Moldova is a former Soviet State and is also not a member of NATO. It borders to Ukraine's Southwest and to Moldova's left is Romania.


What is this? Are they thinking of invading Moldova like I invade a second helping of Fanta at McDonalds when I’m leaving? Like, screw it, we’re already taking over Ukraine might as well drive into Moldova while we’re in the neighbourhood, or something?


There are like 5,000 Russian soldiers in Moldova acting as peace keepers. Part of an agreement due to the region of Moldova bordering Ukraine being a semi break away state. So far they don't appear to have done anything with regards to Ukraine.
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Postby Dtn » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:04 pm

why would russia invade transnistria lol

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Postby Immoren » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:05 pm

Deblar wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
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If true, then damn. First Japan and now Sweden, Russia is trippin'


I mean Russian plane's been doing that from time to time with some baltic countries forever, but I guess this these tensions it'd probably be more serious thing.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:06 pm

Dtn wrote:why would russia invade transnistria lol


Don't think the map is showing Russia invading transnistria but rather Russia using its peacekeepers there as a jumping off point as part of the invasion of Ukraine. Since that isn't happening I'm not putting a huge amount into the map.
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:07 pm

Dtn wrote:why would russia invade transnistria lol

Same reason they’d invade Donbas

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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:08 pm

Kowani wrote:Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
Trying to confirm

May be trying to ensure that Sweden and Finland take the threat Russia issued seriously. Then again does Russia have the manpower to launch an offensive in Scandinavia? According to US officials the invasion force in Ukraine isn't being reinforced.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:08 pm

I've been looking at the list of countries that voted for and against the UN General Assembly resolution to condemn the Russian invasion.

Most countries voted more or less as we'd expect them to, but one vote for the resolution really stood out for me.

Serbia.

If Moscow has lost the support of the Serbs, then they should really start worrying.

The other votes that surprised me were those from the Gulf Cooperation Council nations, all of whom voted for the resolution despite some previous fence-sitting from the likes of the UAE. But the Serbian vote really raised an eyebrow; I would have expected them to abstain.

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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:08 pm

Dtn wrote:why would russia invade transnistria lol

There's already Russian soldiers in Transnistria. They're trying to link up.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:10 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
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What is this? Are they thinking of invading Moldova like I invade a second helping of Fanta at McDonalds when I’m leaving? Like, screw it, we’re already taking over Ukraine might as well drive into Moldova while we’re in the neighbourhood, or something?


There are like 5,000 Russian soldiers in Moldova acting as peace keepers. Part of an agreement due to the region of Moldova bordering Ukraine being a semi break away state. So far they don't appear to have done anything with regards to Ukraine.

There where reports of bombardments on Ukraine coming from Transnistria.
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Postby Immoren » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:11 pm

Kowani wrote:Hearing report that 4 Russian jets just violated Swedish airspace
Trying to confirm


Four Russian fighter jets violated Swedish airspace on Wednesday, the Swedish Defence Forces said on its website.

According to the Defence Forces, the airspace violation was short-lived and took place at sea east of Gotland.


According to Finnish reportong
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Postby Dtn » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:11 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Dtn wrote:why would russia invade transnistria lol


Don't think the map is showing Russia invading transnistria but rather Russia using its peacekeepers there as a jumping off point as part of the invasion of Ukraine. Since that isn't happening I'm not putting a huge amount into the map.


I mean, yeah, Russian naval infantry could land and and link up with the reinforced battalion there, but what else are marines good for? Hint hint desert storm

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Postby Hispida » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:12 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I've been looking at the list of countries that voted for and against the UN General Assembly resolution to condemn the Russian invasion.

Most countries voted more or less as we'd expect them to, but one vote for the resolution really stood out for me.

Serbia.

If Moscow has lost the support of the Serbs, then they should really start worrying.

The other votes that surprised me were those from the Gulf Cooperation Council nations, all of whom voted for the resolution despite some previous fence-sitting from the likes of the UAE. But the Serbian vote really raised an eyebrow; I would have expected them to abstain.

agreeing 100%. it's very telling, especially with serbia historically not being on the best terms with the west (for obvious reasons).
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:12 pm

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Dtn wrote:why would russia invade transnistria lol

There's already Russian soldiers in Transnistria. They're trying to link up.


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The Archregimancy wrote:I've been looking at the list of countries that voted for and against the UN General Assembly resolution to condemn the Russian invasion.

Most countries voted more or less as we'd expect them to, but one vote for the resolution really stood out for me.

Serbia.

If Moscow has lost the support of the Serbs, then they should really start worrying.

The other votes that surprised me were those from the Gulf Cooperation Council nations, all of whom voted for the resolution despite some previous fence-sitting from the likes of the UAE. But the Serbian vote really raised an eyebrow; I would have expected them to abstain.

Honestly I'm not suprised.

For one their nation has been disintegrated by ethnic sepratism, which is what the Russians have been supoporting in Ukraine.

Secondly they're surrounded by NATO and the EU. They're gonna need new friends in the regions soon.

Thirdly its obvious to anyone that Russia is a sinking ship. Even if they "win" the war they've suffered a lot in terms of real world power. The only real reason they're not considered a regional power, at least imo, is because they have the largest nuclear arsenal. Shit goes down Serbia can't realistically rely on them for support.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:13 pm

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Adamede wrote:There's already Russian soldiers in Transnistria. They're trying to link up.


why

Peace keeping and guard duties for an ammo dump i think is the official reason
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Postby Absolon-7 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:15 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Images of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko standing in front of map indicating Moldova invasion plans apparently. The map shows troop movements that have happened already but also some that have not happened yet. One of those movements include targeting Moldova's breakaway region, Transnistria. Moldova is a former Soviet State and is also not a member of NATO. It borders to Ukraine's Southwest and to Moldova's left is Romania.

Since that article doesn't have the pictures, and the video with it is just Blinken talking, here's the map:
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Belarus is Russia's Italy when it comes to this incompetence....

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Postby Adamede » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:15 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:I've been looking at the list of countries that voted for and against the UN General Assembly resolution to condemn the Russian invasion.

Most countries voted more or less as we'd expect them to, but one vote for the resolution really stood out for me.

Serbia.

If Moscow has lost the support of the Serbs, then they should really start worrying.

The other votes that surprised me were those from the Gulf Cooperation Council nations, all of whom voted for the resolution despite some previous fence-sitting from the likes of the UAE. But the Serbian vote really raised an eyebrow; I would have expected them to abstain.

agreeing 100%. it's very telling, especially with serbia historically not being on the best terms with the west (for obvious reasons).

I mean what Russia has been doing to Ukraine is breeding ethnic separatism and conflict in Ukraine and invaded in support of that, the very thing that happened to Serbia/Yugoslavia.
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