Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Adamede]

Any thoughts about the audio leak where Nuland and others handpick the leaders of Ukraine in 2014?

Got an actual source to back that up?

[Christian Confederation]

I've read the existing international laws which try to establish what is or isn't a war crime on page 114, rediculous. It's written in such a way as to ensure 100% of wars would fall afoul of its terms. It's heart is in the right place, but is ultimately full of naivety and wishful thinking.

It should be condensed down to- civilians who are participating as insurgents, can be considered military targets, but are otherwise protected if they're not actively participating in battle, and expecting all soldiers to be in uniform or easily identifiable, if they want to be afforded POW status if captured.

Insurgents technically have no protection as prisoners of War since they are mostly unorganized and unrecognized.

[Arvenia]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

Solidarity among pariah states, nice.

China might have abstained.

[The Commonwealth of Tennessee]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

And nothing surprising was foreseen, ah.

[Reginalida]

Solidarity among pariah states, nice.

China might have abstained.

China did abstain.

[The Huskar Social Union]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

[Adamede]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/596521-gen-petraeus-putin-cant-win-ukraine-war

Gen. Petraeus: Putin can't win Ukraine war

In the long run he probably can't. Even if he occupies the entire country its just going to be Afghanistan in Europe with a porous border allowing Western weapons to flow into the country.

Best he can probably do is sign a treaty where he gets the pro-Russia regions and forces what's left of Ukraine to be neutral.

[Adamede]

498 casualties in a week, Russian defense ministry claims. Wonder how larger it actually is. The Ukrainian number is probably as overblown as the Russian claim is understated.

Can probably easily quadruple that.

[Shrillland]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

[New Baltenstein]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/596521-gen-petraeus-putin-cant-win-ukraine-war

Gen. Petraeus: Putin can't win Ukraine war

In the long run he probably can't. Even if he occupies the entire country its just going to be Afghanistan in Europe with a porous border allowing Western weapons to flow into the country.

Best he can proba bly due is sign a treaty where he gets the pro-Russia regions and forces what's left of Ukraine to be neutral.

As soon as Russian troops leave Ukrainian soil, US bases will pop up there. Even if a neutrality declaration was signed beforehand. Nobody will take it seriously or give a dusty fuck about Russia crying about "broken promises" or whathaveyou.

[Adamede]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

wtf Eritriea

Its essentially Africa's North Korea, what do you expect?

[New Baltenstein]

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

There was no way any Western country would not have voted in favor of condemnation.

[Adamede]

In the long run he probably can't. Even if he occupies the entire country its just going to be Afghanistan in Europe with a porous border allowing Western weapons to flow into the country.

Best he can proba bly due is sign a treaty where he gets the pro-Russia regions and forces what's left of Ukraine to be neutral.

As soon as Russian troops leave Ukrainian soil, US bases will pop up there. Even if a neutrality declaration was signed beforehand. Nobody will take it seriously or give a dusty fuck about Russia crying about "broken promises" or whathaveyou.

Good, they shouldn't. So long as Putin or any other strong man is in charge of Russia the Russian government's word is worthless.

[Adamede]

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

The Western world is more aligned now than ever. Even Hungary is falling into line, Spain wouldn't risk catching rage over not condemning Russia.

[Dtn]

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

The junta is not represented at the UN.

[Shrillland]

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

The junta is not represented at the UN.

Aye, but they still have separatists that they're opposed to.

[Dtn]

The NUG "stands in solidarity with the people of Ukraine." They've also taken a conciliatory stance on the Rohingya.

[El Lazaro]

Solidarity among pariah states, nice.

China might have abstained.

China isn’t a pariah state, it’s an imperialist superpower and an irreplaceable part of the global economy. You don’t have a choice to cut ties with China no matter how much you dislike them.

[Continental Free States]

China might have abstained.

China isn’t a pariah state, it’s an imperialist superpower and an irreplaceable part of the global economy. You don’t have a choice to cut ties with China no matter how much you dislike them.

We thought the same about Russian gas and Europe. China needs the global economy far more than it needs her. It's why they've not come out in support of Russia or used the chaos to start shit up in the Pacific yet.

[Thermodolia]

Yo lads, who wants to come to Ukraine with me for this cheap bargain?

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If only it was in rubles

[El Lazaro]

Im surprised Myanmar voted to condemn, i thought they took a pro-russia position?

Like China, they have separatists inside their country that might get funny ideas if it wasn't condemned. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Spain voted the way they did, though they at least can use democratic justifications.

I don’t think Spain expects to be reconquered by a despotic French empire and UN precedent on strongly-worded letters would be trivial in the light of zombie Napoleon existing.

[El Lazaro]

China isn’t a pariah state, it’s an imperialist superpower and an irreplaceable part of the global economy. You don’t have a choice to cut ties with China no matter how much you dislike them.

We thought the same about Russian gas and Europe. China needs the global economy far more than it needs her. It's why they've not come out in support of Russia or used the chaos to start shit up in the Pacific yet.

Russia only ever had asking power, not the ability to demand. China can project power into almost any country and destroy them without landing a single troop. Russia had the ability to inconvenience some people while destroying their own economy. They’re entirely different situations.

[Tarsonis]

China might have abstained.

China isn’t a pariah state, it’s an imperialist superpower and an irreplaceable part of the global economy. You don’t have a choice to cut ties with China no matter how much you dislike them.

it's hardly a superpower. it doesn't even have modern carriers

[Thermodolia]

We thought the same about Russian gas and Europe. China needs the global economy far more than it needs her. It's why they've not come out in support of Russia or used the chaos to start shit up in the Pacific yet.

Russia only ever had asking power, not the ability to demand. China can project power into almost any country and destroy them without landing a single troop. Russia had the ability to inconvenience some people while destroying their own economy. They’re entirely different situations.

Sure but if the EU and US decided tomorrow that they didn’t need China, China would be in a world of trouble

[Caleonia]

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141-5 (34 abstentions)

Against
Belarus
Eritrea
North Korea
Russia
Syria

And nothing surprising was foreseen, ah.

Why would Eritrea not condemn? I understand the others… to some degree, but why Eritrea?