Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[The North Polish Union]

Human trafficking isn't a great reason to like someone. Also the rumor is that Putin had him stop doing that because it was causing Poland and Lithuania to greatly increase their military presence on the border, which made the Ukraine invasion plans less secure, so it was even a stupid strategic move,

I'd love to know how is NATO going to handle these refugees created by NATO

Those Łukašenka was trafficking were mostly funneled up from Syria and Kurdistan, The last time NATO created any refugees was 2011 in Libya, which is not where Łukašenka was getting people from.

[The North Polish Union]

Human trafficking isn't a great reason to like someone. Also the rumor is that Putin had him stop doing that because it was causing Poland and Lithuania to greatly increase their military presence on the border, which made the Ukraine invasion plans less secure, so it was even a stupid strategic move,

I was saying that in a bad way. I oppose that he funnelled those migrants.

Ah, I had what you meant confused then.

[Adamede]

The dozens of times that Russia was reported to have destroyed "the last hospital in Aleppo" during the early part of it's intervention in Syria.

OK but how is that relevant here when no-one is saying anything about last hospitals?

It isn’t, and I think that’s the point.

[Adamede]

According to reports and the live map Ukrainian civilians are preparing for a last stand at Enerhodar with small arms and blocked roads.

And according to the live map Russia is attempting yet another Air-mobile operation in combination with a sea invasion against the city of Mykolaiv northwest of Kherson.
Don't know why they aren't using the forces at Kherson, are they exhausted?

My professor’s parents live in Mykolaiv. Can’t imagine what she’s going through right now.

[The Alma Mater]

@sumlenny: Ukrainian media report, Ukrainian ex-president Yanukovych, responsible for the blood bath in Kyiv in 2013/14, was brought by Russians to Minsk and is being prepared to be proclaimed "the president of Ukraine". Well, Russia never understood Ukraine and Ukrainians (link in comment)

I would classify this as a rumor at this point. If true, I'm not really sure what Putin is thinking. Yanukovych was an incompetent goon, and I thought that Putin disliked him on a personal level.

Then again, Russia has been spreading the tale that not Yanukovych but Ukranian nazis are responsible for said bloodbath - which nicely fits witht he whole "de-nazify" tale.

[Antipatros]

So is Putin going to promote Lukashenko to colonel finally?

[Christian Confederation]

So is Putin going to promote Lukashenko to colonel finally?

Lmao I just saw that interview this morning.

[Adamede]

Not sure how they're "accidental civilian deaths" when you launch rockets into civilian housing blocks and seed landmines over residential areas.

"when you launch rockets into civilian housing blocks" You do know Ukrainian forces were responsible for that?

Last I checked the Russians are the invaders and the ones shelling Ukrainian cities.

[Adamede]

Apparently "Russian forces attack hospital in Kharkiv" is propaganda now because it makes Russia look bad if people talk about them committing war crimes.

They've allegedly attacked a hospital. Both sides have probably committed crimes, and I'm not inclined to listen to any sources about this war.

Then why comment in this thread. Just seems like you’re trying to bait people.

[Picairn]

So is Putin going to promote Lukashenko to colonel finally?

Only when Putin reestablishes the USSR - Lukashenko specifically said he wanted to be a Colonel of the Soviet Army (0:43).

[Christian Confederation]

he's right. it's a system we cannot afford to lose.

Go, I will. Good relations with the Wookies, I have

It's settled then. General Kenobi will go after General Grievous whall Yoda Aids the Wookies. Skywalker keep a close eye on the Chancellor.

[Adamede]

Great tune to go to war too

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."
That's the truth at present, it in fact is a little bit like "the Thucydides Trap".
The developing countries are not given the basic rights they deserve. We need a revolution in global politics, but we don't want to witness a stronger dictator.

Cool, maybe don’t support Putin then.

[Adamede]

Damn where was this attitude for America in 2005 or 2003 or 1991? Oh right it didn't exist, lol. America's the good guys.

What about the droid attack on the wookies?

Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?

[Kowani]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

[Adamede]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

I think you link may be messed up.

[Paddy O Fernature]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

Link appears to be bad.

[Antipatros]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1499051879451578369

Fixed the link

[Des-Bal]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

I personally don't care. I've heard "vacuum bomb" enough that I think interested parties are trying to spin thermobaric weapons as more novel and uniquely devastating than they are. Clusterbombs and thermobaric weapons suck because much like sharp sticks they can kill civilians depending on how you use them.

[Kowani]

Georgia to apply for EU membership

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Previous link fixed

[Picairn]

Some comedic relief, if you consider it to be. Russian soldier in Kherson having trouble opening a door to an electronics store.

In a nutshell: Mf shot the glass to open the door but failed, gave up and walked away dejectedly.

[Senkaku]

Exxon follows BP in ditching Russian assets

[Senkaku]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

I personally don't care. I've heard "vacuum bomb" enough that I think interested parties are trying to spin thermobaric weapons as more novel and uniquely devastating than they are. Clusterbombs and thermobaric weapons suck because much like sharp sticks they can kill civilians depending on how you use them.

Yeah given that they seem to mostly be killing people just fine with regular old artillery I think it’s just a combo of American media’s morbid bloodlust and fetishistic fascination with technology

[United Valik]

Any thoughts about the audio leak where Nuland and others handpick the leaders of Ukraine in 2014?

[Antipatros]

American UN Ambassador claims Russia used cluster munitions and vacuum bombs in Ukraine

I personally don't care. I've heard "vacuum bomb" enough that I think interested parties are trying to spin thermobaric weapons as more novel and uniquely devastating than they are. Clusterbombs and thermobaric weapons suck because much like sharp sticks they can kill civilians depending on how you use them.

Cluster munitions can create a bit of a unexploded ordinance problem. Ukrainian civilians are probably going to be getting killed/maimed by that UXO for years to come.

The use of anti-personnel landmines is a similar problem which has been afflicting the Donbas region for some time.

[Des-Bal]

Yeah given that they seem to mostly be killing people just fine with regular old artillery I think it’s just a combo of American media’s morbid bloodlust and fetishistic fascination with technology

I disagree, thermobaric weapons have been around for a while and the media's not been shy talking about them. I think the specific use of the word vacuum bomb and the references to the collateral but largely unimportant effects of the bombs is probably deliberate spin. It seems like propaganda but propaganda isn't evil and it's not something only bad guys do.