Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Suriyanakhon]

He has said more than that. Praised Hitler and such. But given his contradictions I am not sure if he is a true believer hiding behind the “it’s just a joke/ironic” thing or just a massive troll.

I am leaning towards troll.

Wow I thought leftists were forgiving and understanding when people mess up.

Being a Nazi is not a simple mistake and Fuentes has shown no remorse for it in the first place.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/presiden ... n-responds

He did not said he would, he said he might IF Russia invaded.
Russia did anyways and clearly had planned it long before that. So not a good justification.

Wait until he brings up the 8 years of genocide in Donbass or biolabs excuse- then everyone takes a drink lol

Except for me because I’m sworn to remain sober for life so someone take a shot for me

[Farnhamia]

You've clearly never been in a high school. The majority of my generation is tired of the Progressive bs

I’m starting to think your school experience consists of kindergarten through 6th grade in a school with 10 students, have you interacted with a person outside of your backwater town in rural Mississippi? I think I speak for most Americans when I say we don’t fawn over stories about our great-grandad who was in the KKK or pray daily to an alter of Lee for the return of slavery.

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[Adamede]

He did not said he would, he said he might IF Russia invaded.
Russia did anyways and clearly had planned it long before that. So not a good justification.

Wait until he brings up the 8 years of genocide in Donbass or biolabs excuse- then everyone takes a drink lol

Except for me because I’m sworn to remain sober for life so someone take a shot for me

Increasingly sobriety seems like the wrong way to go through life.

[Novus America]

He has said more than that. Praised Hitler and such. But given his contradictions I am not sure if he is a true believer hiding behind the “it’s just a joke/ironic” thing or just a massive troll.

I am leaning towards troll.

¨Anyone who dare try to refute my opinion is just a troll man¨

Never said that. The fact Nick Fuentes seems to just say outrageous things to get a rise out of people, without any real consistency and or seeming any coherent ideology.

I disagree without a lot of politicians. I disagree with most of what Rep. Omar preaches. But I think she believes the ludicrous things see preaches.

Fuentes just screams troll.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Wait until he brings up the 8 years of genocide in Donbass or biolabs excuse- then everyone takes a drink lol

Except for me because I’m sworn to remain sober for life so someone take a shot for me

Increasingly sobriety seems like the wrong way to go through life.

Can’t break something already broken so it’s fine

[Farnhamia]

There are many peril agreement clauses. Against Putin, I carry 6 arrows and the flag of the European Union. My recommendation against these items. No one can hinder the will of the Ukrainian People ! Ukraine will become a member of the European Union and NATO. Concessions that can be made to the Russian government The US government within NATO to ban military bases + Recognize Crimea as an independent country. The only guarantor of Ukraine should be the European Union

Yah no. Fuck off with this bullshit.

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[Alexander-of-Macedon]

Wow I thought leftists were forgiving and understanding when people mess up.

Except that they do.

A year ago I held views that were WAY more messed up than yours are- and when I’ve grappled enough power in me to confront and reject them they’ve accepted me.

Except that in your case nothing shows that you’ve taken any steps in that direction so the blame is on you pal!

The Alt-right is a joke not even Groypers take them seriously. All they do is hypothezize about White world conquest and there perfect ethno-state. Not to mention their egos with ¨I rule the fucking world those pieces of shit deserved to be ruled by people like me¨ Now thats just cringe

Also the mods are going to come in and spank us if this threadjack does not stop.

[Adamede]

Increasingly sobriety seems like the wrong way to go through life.

Can’t break something already broken so it’s fine

True.

[Novus America]

He has said more than that. Praised Hitler and such. But given his contradictions I am not sure if he is a true believer hiding behind the “it’s just a joke/ironic” thing or just a massive troll.

I am leaning towards troll.

Wow I thought leftists were forgiving and understanding when people mess up.

When did I ever claim to be forgiving? Sometimes I try to be but the person in question would first have to acknowledge what they did.

But I am no leftist. I am more Alt-lite/center right. Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower were leftists? I do not agree with everything they did or said but think they were the greatest presidents of the past 150 years or so.

But anyways who said all leftists are forgiving? Many are not.
But what is this? What are you trying to accomplish? This is not substantive argument.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Except that they do.

A year ago I held views that were WAY more messed up than yours are- and when I’ve grappled enough power in me to confront and reject them they’ve accepted me.

Except that in your case nothing shows that you’ve taken any steps in that direction so the blame is on you pal!

The Alt-right is a joke not even Groypers take them seriously. All they do is hypothezize about White world conquest and there perfect ethno-state. Not to mention their egos with ¨I rule the fucking world those pieces of shit deserved to be ruled by people like me¨ Now thats just cringe

Also the mods are going to come in and spank us if this threadjack does not stop.

Good point, so let’s carry on this discussion via TG’s

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Now actually related to the theme of the conflict, here are some quick numbers for ya:
During the 8 years of War In Donbass, around 3400 civilians have been killed. Putin claims that this is genocide

According to CONSERVATIVE estimates, during a month and 6 days of the current conflict, around 20-30 THOUSANDS Ukrainians have perished- Putin STILL claims that this shit is not a war.

You can easily google sources yourself if you want to- I mean the Wiki page has ‘em all.

[Prima Scriptura]

He has said more than that. Praised Hitler and such. But given his contradictions I am not sure if he is a true believer hiding behind the “it’s just a joke/ironic” thing or just a massive troll.

I am leaning towards troll.

¨Anyone who dare try to refute my opinion is just a troll man¨

Go back to Gab if you don’t want to be criticized for your word view.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

[Prima Scriptura]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

I don’t think that Russia is really retreating. They are repositioning

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

Extremely unlikely- Ukrainians lack in offensive firepower, their armed forces although with a much more fierce morale than Russian ones are certainly lacking in numbers and I don’t think that they can generally manage a counterattack especially given their supply situation. Not now. Perhaps a couple of months later maybe, if the west supplies them with actual armor (which is very unlikely but hey hope dies last)

[Novus America]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

I don’t think that Russia is really retreating. They are repositioning

Well retreating to reposition is still a retreat. I do not think they are planning a total withdrawal, but I do think some of their forces are so demoralized and decimated that they have little choice but to pull some them back, especially as many risk being surrounded if they do not.

So I think it absolutely is a retreat, but also they might try to reinforce and reorganize to attack again.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

When the Nazis retreated from Moscow it was still a retreat, even though they still wanted to beat the Soviets and would still launch several offensives (they would much like this reposition for a Southern Offensive (Case Blue)) and would still be just as brutal.

[Adamede]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

I don’t think that Russia is really retreating. They are repositioning

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

[Adamede]

Back to the original topic:

Upon reading the most recent maps and gathering all data I could find, Russia appears to be shifting away from Kyiv and Chernihiv in the North and focusing solely on Donbass. Russia would have one united front if they withdraw in the North, but then so would Ukraine. Also, everything Russia lost in the North would be for nothing (from their perspective). Is this a ploy by Putin to try to squeak out a "Mission Accomplished" by trying to take land in the Donbass? Also, Ukraine is approaching both Mariupol (besieged) and Kherson (civilians protesting regularly against Russian occupation). Do you think the Ukrainian Army will attack the Russians in those cities soon?

Extremely unlikely- Ukrainians lack in offensive firepower, their armed forces although with a much more fierce morale than Russian ones are certainly lacking in numbers and I don’t think that they can generally manage a counterattack especially given their supply situation. Not now. Perhaps a couple of months later maybe, if the west supplies them with actual armor (which is very unlikely but hey hope dies last)

Eh I wouldn't make any predictions just yet.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I don’t think that Russia is really retreating. They are repositioning

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

Kinda funny how kremlebot rhetoric has slowly changed from “Well take Kyiv in 3 days” do “but look how much we’ve captured!..”. I do even remember a post which compared Russian advances to the ones made by the Germans during their attack on Poland…

[Sordhau]

I don’t think that Russia is really retreating. They are repositioning

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

You cannot by definition retreat from an area you do not occupy. They've abandoned their goals in the West because they haven't secured the East; now they're redoubling their efforts in the East to consolidate their forces and regroup, likely for a future campaign in the West once the East has fallen.

Putin drastically overestimated how easily he could run over Ukraine and spread his forces too thin, now he's trying to get them back together having realized that there is no way to salvage his failed attempt at a blitzkrieg.

[Hamidiye]

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

You cannot by definition retreat from an area you do not occupy. They've abandoned their goals in the West because they haven't secured the East; now they're redoubling their efforts in the East to consolidate their forces and regroup, likely for a future campaign in the West once the East has fallen.

Putin drastically overestimated how easily he could run over Ukraine and spread his forces too thin, now he's trying to get them back together having realized that there is no way to salvage his failed attempt at a blitzkrieg.

Yeah, he didn't have the proper forces to begin with. Now he's scramblin' to salvage, and has no idea how. What now, Kh**lo?

[Luxenermy]

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

You cannot by definition retreat from an area you do not occupy. They've abandoned their goals in the West because they haven't secured the East; now they're redoubling their efforts in the East to consolidate their forces and regroup, likely for a future campaign in the West once the East has fallen.

Putin drastically overestimated how easily he could run over Ukraine and spread his forces too thin, now he's trying to get them back together having realized that there is no way to salvage his failed attempt at a blitzkrieg.

It's sort of a bit pedantic. They are abandoning a costly offensive in the north is the takeaway. Whether or not that's a retreat/regroup/reposition/restart/new attempt/etc. doesn't really matter. This is clearly a sign of a successful defense by the Ukrainians, and now whilst Russia can focus its efforts on the east, so can Ukraine, and Ukraine likely will spend the in between time better than Russia will.

[Christian Confederation]

You cannot by definition retreat from an area you do not occupy. They've abandoned their goals in the West because they haven't secured the East; now they're redoubling their efforts in the East to consolidate their forces and regroup, likely for a future campaign in the West once the East has fallen.

Putin drastically overestimated how easily he could run over Ukraine and spread his forces too thin, now he's trying to get them back together having realized that there is no way to salvage his failed attempt at a blitzkrieg.

It's sort of a bit pedantic. They are abandoning a costly offensive in the north is the takeaway. Whether or not that's a retreat/regroup/reposition/restart/new attempt/etc. doesn't really matter. This is clearly a sign of a successful defense by the Ukrainians, and now whilst Russia can focus its efforts on the east, so can Ukraine, and Ukraine likely will spend the in between time better than Russia will.

The Atttack on Kiev was both a distraction from the east and an attempt to take the capital/ cut Ukraine in half.

[Dtn]

It's almost like there's this thing called a fixing operation. People should read more Liddell Hart.

[Adamede]

They're abandoning their goals in Western Ukraine. That's a retreat.

You cannot by definition retreat from an area you do not occupy. They've abandoned their goals in the West because they haven't secured the East; now they're redoubling their efforts in the East to consolidate their forces and regroup, likely for a future campaign in the West once the East has fallen.

Putin drastically overestimated how easily he could run over Ukraine and spread his forces too thin, now he's trying to get them back together having realized that there is no way to salvage his failed attempt at a blitzkrieg.

When you halt your advance into regions you wanted to capture and even begin to pull back yah its a retreat.