Floridas ¨don´t say gay bill¨

[American Legionaries]

Because nosy, invasive, busybodies are nosy, invasive, and busybodies.

I've never had heard busy body put together with government employee before. That's a new one.

Odd, given that most of government's function these days seems to be nosy, invasive, busybodies.

[Holy Tedalonia]

If they did they probably would have done it before this bill in all honesty. Although I doubt there would be to many of them. Teachers are government employees. Government employees are infamous for doing their bare minimum

The bill targets specific policies adopted in some of Florida's more liberal counties that bar outing kids, e.g. this from Palm Beach County:

Students have the right to be “out” at school, even if they are NOT “out” at home.
Schools may NOT violate student confidentiality by “outing” a student to
parent(s)/caregivers. LGBTQ+ students are permitted to bring same-sex dates to
prom. Transgender students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

So what it means concretely is that a student who seeks support from the school (say, for LGBTQ-related bullying, or even intimate partner violence involving a same-sex partner) cannot trust that the school will not report this to the student's parents (and in fact, the school might be obligated to so report it). Sure, some teachers will still fail to disclose, I'm sure. But without being able to trust that it won't be disclossed, students will be much more reluctant to seek support.

Oh I definitely know it will suck. But San Lumen be talking like it's the Spanish inquisition coming to Florida schools. This mainly just means LGBT+ people can't lean on schools for aid.

[San Lumen]

The bill targets specific policies adopted in some of Florida's more liberal counties that bar outing kids, e.g. this from Palm Beach County:

Students have the right to be “out” at school, even if they are NOT “out” at home.
Schools may NOT violate student confidentiality by “outing” a student to
parent(s)/caregivers. LGBTQ+ students are permitted to bring same-sex dates to
prom. Transgender students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

So what it means concretely is that a student who seeks support from the school (say, for LGBTQ-related bullying, or even intimate partner violence involving a same-sex partner) cannot trust that the school will not report this to the student's parents (and in fact, the school might be obligated to so report it). Sure, some teachers will still fail to disclose, I'm sure. But without being able to trust that it won't be disclossed, students will be much more reluctant to seek support.

Oh I definitely know it will suck. But San Lumen be talking like it's the Spanish inquisition coming to Florida schools. This mainly just means LGBT+ people can't lean on schools for aid.

I did not say that. In some instances school might be all they have for aid. That should not be taken away from kids who might have no other resource.

[Cannot think of a name]

students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

[Holy Tedalonia]

I've never had heard busy body put together with government employee before. That's a new one.

Odd, given that most of government's function these days seems to be nosy, invasive, busybodies.

The only government institution that is nosy in the US tends to be the IRS and the FBI. Those are more nosy because they are given the permission to investigate. Other than that, most institutions leave you the fuck alone, atleast in the us.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Oh I definitely know it will suck. But San Lumen be talking like it's the Spanish inquisition coming to Florida schools. This mainly just means LGBT+ people can't lean on schools for aid.

I did not say that. In some instances school might be all they have for aid. That should not be taken away from kids who might have no other resource.

Yeah losing those resources would suck admittedly. Won't deny that.

[Soheran]

Lots of people think it's politically correct or trendy or whatever to side with LGBT these days and to this I think: "well, okay then? If you really and truly feel that way, then you shouldn't have any problems crossing the bridge figuratively speaking; to be willing to have sex with or treating such individuals as their chosen sex if you happen to be in a relationship with them- that is escalating?"

Am I not wrong to conclude, that if there is reluctance or hesitation on their part, that it is because deep down in their mind they don't genuinely really believe that a MtF is the same as a biological woman or that an FtM is the same as a biological man?

I don't think that's a valid conclusion from your premise (people can be reluctant to have sex with another person for all sorts of reasons) but your premise is also problematic: it's pretty common for trans people to be in relationships with straight or gay cis people who regard them as the sex consistent with their gender identity.

My boyfriend isn't trans but for a while I wondered if he might be (don't want to get into why) and my main concern was making sure he knew I was fine either way. We exist!

[Hispida]

Lots of people think it's politically correct or trendy or whatever to side with LGBT these days and to this I think: "well, okay then? If you really and truly feel that way, then you shouldn't have any problems crossing the bridge figuratively speaking; to be willing to have sex with or treating such individuals as their chosen sex if you happen to be in a relationship with them- that is escalating?"

Am I not wrong to conclude, that if there is reluctance or hesitation on their part, that it is because deep down in their mind they don't genuinely really believe that a MtF is the same as a biological woman or that an FtM is the same as a biological man?

I don't think that's a valid conclusion from your premise (people can be reluctant to have sex with another person for all sorts of reasons) but your premise is also problematic: it's pretty common for trans people to be in relationships with straight or gay cis people who regard them as the sex consistent with their gender identity.

My boyfriend isn't trans but for a while I wondered if he might be (don't want to get into why) and my main concern was making sure he knew I was fine either way. We exist!

my best friend is FTM and has had a girlfriend for the better part of a year and a half, including before and after his coming out (he hasn't begun transitioning yet). you exist!

[Soheran]

students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

Not unrelated at all: sex-based expectations imposed on male people for how we are supposed to dress is also sex discrimination and part of the same social structure that produces homophobia and transphobia.

Under the Supreme Court's ruling in Bostock v. Clayton County, it should already be the case that people of all genders can wear any clothing that a person of a particular gender would be allowed to wear, but many schools and employers (not to mention, alas, federal courts) have not caught up.

[Saiwania]

It's pretty common for trans people to be in relationships with straight or gay cis people who regard them as the sex consistent with their gender identity.

That is a prospect that horrifies me on a personal level. An MtF which is so into being a woman that they intentionally forget or neglect to give their male past any thought at all. And I never figure it out because they're too pretty or indistinguishable from a real biological woman.

*Shrugs* I figured my hypothetical was one effective way to separate those people who "walk the walk" beyond just virtue signaling or "talking the talk" with regards to being LGBT tolerant.

[Cannot think of a name]

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

Not unrelated at all: sex-based expectations imposed on male people for how we are supposed to dress is also sex discrimination and part of the same social structure that produces homophobia and transphobia.

Under the Supreme Court's ruling in Bostock v. Clayton County, it should already be the case that people of all genders can wear any clothing that a person of a particular gender would be allowed to wear, but many schools and employers (not to mention, alas, federal courts) have not caught up.

Turns out the whole reason dudes are stuck in one mode of clothing leads back to one specific guy since before that it was normal for men to go as nuts with their cloths as women but this fashion asshole went 'nah' and it stuck. But it also leads to this completely fucking ridiculous and yet kind of awesome fop-off called the Battle of the Dudes.

[Hispida]

students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

see, that's when you go "fuck it!" and wear dress pants with a hoodie.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

see, that's when you go "fuck it!" and wear dress pants with a hoodie.

You could be like Jeff Keighley and bring god awful white and blue shoes with your black tuxedo to a game award show.

[Soheran]

see, that's when you go "fuck it!" and wear dress pants with a hoodie.

TBH well-fitted dress pants with a nice hoodie is a good look. Pretty typical wear for me when it's not too warm for the hoodie and the pants

[Hispida]

see, that's when you go "fuck it!" and wear dress pants with a hoodie.

You could be like Jeff Keighley and bring god awful white and blue shoes with your black tuxedo to a game award show.

sounds like a plan.

[Reginalida]

Lots of people think it's politically correct or trendy or whatever to side with LGBT these days and to this I think: "well, okay then? If you really and truly feel that way, then you shouldn't have any problems crossing the bridge figuratively speaking; to be willing to have sex with or treating such individuals as their chosen sex if you happen to be in a relationship with them- that is escalating?"

Am I not wrong to conclude, that if there is reluctance or hesitation on their part, that it is because deep down in their mind they don't genuinely really believe that a MtF is the same as a biological woman or that an FtM is the same as a biological man?

You are wrong to conclude that. You are allowed to not want to date someone because they are trans, but denying a woman based on her surgically-made vagina is no different than denying her based on her being blonde. It's simply your preference, which you are allowed to have as long as you aren't a dick about it, but in either case, the woman is still a woman when she doesn't fit your preferences in women.

[Space Squid]

It's pretty common for trans people to be in relationships with straight or gay cis people who regard them as the sex consistent with their gender identity.

That is a prospect that horrifies me on a personal level. An MtF which is so into being a woman that they intentionally forget or neglect to give their male past any thought at all. And I never figure it out because they're too pretty or indistinguishable from a real biological woman.

It is indeed possible to have irrational fears of things that will never happen to you. I don't see why you feel the need to make it everyone else's problem.

*Shrugs* I figured my hypothetical was one effective way to separate those people who "walk the walk" beyond just virtue signaling or "talking the talk" with regards to being LGBT tolerant.

There's no hypocrisy here. The pro-LGBT crowd is generally pretty consistent about not wanting to force people into relationships when they're not comfortable. Especially not to conform to some kind of societal norm. Instead people should be with the people they want to be with. That's sort of the whole premise of the movement.

If you don't want to date trans people, fine. No one is asking you to.

[Thepeopl]

Meanwhile in Dutch highschools:

https://www.destentor.nl/binnenland/lee ... ~ad8bad22/

Meet the 3d clitoris.

[Thepeopl]

see, that's when you go "fuck it!" and wear dress pants with a hoodie.

TBH well-fitted dress pants with a nice hoodie is a good look. Pretty typical wear for me when it's not too warm for the hoodie and the pants

Its never too warm!!

whistles innocently

Tho, my "dress pants" are leggings or very tight fitting elastic dress pants looking trousers.
And I have a dress hoodie.

Edit: as long as your clothes soak up all your body sweat or you wipe down the chair before someone else uses it, I'm totally fine with any clothing. (Yes including nude)

[Gravlen]

students may wear gender-nonconforming clothes to school,
proms, yearbook pictures, and graduation.

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

Pfft! You won't be considered eccentric.

You don't have the kind of money required. You'll just be seen as crazy -_-

[Cannot think of a name]

Unrelated pet peeve, but if we as a society allowed dudes a wider range of expression in clothing that would go a long way. Women can go out dressed like a fucking Bell Hop and it's adorable, but I have to assemble one of three different kinds of pants with one of three different kinds of shirts or I'm 'eccentric.'

Pfft! You won't be considered eccentric.

You don't have the kind of money required. You'll just be seen as crazy -_-

Point.

[Federal Republic of Azargon]

I think it should be up to parents if they want their children taught about homosexuality and transgenderism. I don’t plan to ever have children, but if I did I would not want them to be taught about lifestyles and behaviors I believe God considers sinful.

parents should choose what their kids learn in public schools

You couldn't have said it better.

[Reginalida]

parents should choose what their kids learn in public schools

You couldn't have said it better.

Public schools are public. If you think schools should bend over backward to avoid teaching kids basic science, send them to a private school where you can bribe the teachers. Or just homeschool them, probably the cheaper option.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

What is your opinion and why?

Don’t expect much in the way of talk as this appeared in the politics thread.

you want me to give my opinion yeah the bills are a good thing I think it's inappropriate for people in grade school to learn about CRT and gender identity.

I strongly agree with you and we strongly agree with you. By we I mean the millions of us that strongly agree with me and us.

[Reginalida]

you want me to give my opinion yeah the bills are a good thing I think it's inappropriate for people in grade school to learn about CRT and gender identity.

I strongly agree with you and we strongly agree with you. By we I mean the millions of us that strongly agree with me and us.

And care to explain why this homophobic bill is a good thing?