Floridas ¨don´t say gay bill¨

[Kannap]

Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.

Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

Trying to figure out why this matters. If you don't want to date trans people, then don't. It's easier than you'd think.

[Ifreann]

This thread is moments away from talking about the mouthfeel.

[American Legionaries]

Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

Trying to figure out why this matters. If you don't want to date trans people, then don't. It's easier than you'd think.

Given that Saiwania self admittedly doesn't date anyone, he'd have the easiest of time with this...

[Saiwania]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

[Ifreann]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

No.

[Hispida]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

no

[The Blaatschapen]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

No

[Space Squid]

Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.

Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

It doesn't appeal to me personally, but the sheer volume of pornography that exists along these lines indicates that reasonably large demographic would.

[The Black Forrest]

Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

Trying to figure out why this matters. If you don't want to date trans people, then don't. It's easier than you'd think.

Probably can go back to that Puritanism heritage we can’t seem to flush. Remember Mencken. “The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy,"

[Celritannia]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

Have you ever thought of not posting such disgusting comments?

[Ifreann]

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

Have you ever thought of not posting such disgusting comments?

He's a fascist, of course not.

[Ostroeuropa]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

You can view someone as a woman in a male body which has undergone feminization to various degrees. It's not polite to say so because it is a source of distress for these individuals, but ultimately if you're attracted to female bodies then there isn't really anything that can be done about it and everyones threshhold of verisimilitude is going to be different. And to be clear, they're in a womans body. It's just a male one, and if you don't find it attractive then... well. oh well.

[Galloism]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

You didn't read the data very well.

But I'm not surprised.

[Kannap]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

Yay, I got rejected again

[Sordhau]

..However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women..

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

Given how popular and prominent dickgirl porn is, I'm gonna say no.

[Space Squid]

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

*disappears in a puff of logic*

[American Legionaries]

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

Mr. Kannap... I don't feel so good...

[Deblar]

Ah hah! You see? You see?! So it looks like reality is favoring my side of the gender binary debate. It is as if those men instinctively know they're not truly with real women subconsciously, hence the hesitation on their part to actually "do the deed" and everything else they might typically be like when in relationships with biological women. Does this not prove that most people can't be convinced that transgender is legitimate, despite the contentions of the scientific and medical fields or liberalism as a whole?

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

AA- *dissapears*

[Hemakral]

About as much as my unwillingness to sleep with straight guys proves that straight guys don't legitimately exist.

disappears in a puff of logic*

can't have shit in NSG

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Have you ever thought of not posting such disgusting comments?

He's a fascist, of course not.

Nazi, Sai is a self-declared Nazi.

Have you ever thought of not posting such disgusting comments?

Which brings us to...
No, if Sai's ideology could they'd still be putting non-heterosexuals in gas chambers.

[Rhie]

Sorry for not following the chain of discussion here--I've been stalking the thread for a day or two-- but my take is that when a group of people are being/have been targeted and killed just because they are individuals of some group, with that designation not existing to hurt anybody, then the bare minimum is that education should address that problem's existence. The respect for other citizens' lives is literally the barest of minimums.
What are the misconceptions here? Do people think that LGBTQ+ individuals go around trying to "convert" people to their romantic/sexual orientations? Because that's ironic, considering anti-LGBT+ measures, like the subject of this thread, seem to be fueled majorly by Christianity, a missionary religion.
And if some LGBT+ people do that, they haven't the right to represent the other individuals in the community--and you haven't the right to make them the representation, either.

[Diarcesia]

Sorry for not following the chain of discussion here--I've been stalking the thread for a day or two-- but my take is that when a group of people are being/have been targeted and killed just because they are individuals of some group, with that designation not existing to hurt anybody, then the bare minimum is that education should address that problem's existence. The respect for other citizens' lives is literally the barest of minimums.
What are the misconceptions here? Do people think that LGBTQ+ individuals go around trying to "convert" people to their romantic/sexual orientations? Because that's ironic, considering anti-LGBT+ measures, like the subject of this thread, seem to be fueled majorly by Christianity, a missionary religion.
And if some LGBT+ people do that, they haven't the right to represent the other individuals in the community--and you haven't the right to make them the representation, either.

This, this, this, this, this, ad infinitum.

The society's zeitgeist was so used to advancing an heterosexual agenda (i.e. enforcing that everyone must have that orientation) that LGBT acceptance is tantamount to a homosexual agenda—that people are pushing others to be gay. I take it at the root as projection. "We know what is right and we must maintain it!"

[Hamidiye]

Maybe the law actually does have a point: were both sides to look at the issue rationally and stop giving so much thought to it the problem would easily be solved after all. Nobody is forcing our little nazi up there to rubb one out to twinky-porn, or that other dude to try and convince me that I'm somehow attracted to penises after all. Take a step back, have a chill pill, and it all clears up easily enough.

Yes, all people are equal, and yes, they all can fornicate in any consenting manner they see fit... and no, it's none of your business.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Maybe the law actually does have a point:

You started really bad here because the point of this silly bill is to keep the conservatives from hearing anything about non-heterosexual activity (much like the Russian laws on "homosexual propaganda") and force teachers to out children to their conservative parents for a beating.