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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:30 pm

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what if they where teaching biology and the text book said you can not change your gender should trans people be exempt from that class


What if they were teaching history and the text book said unicorns and dragons existed in NYC as recently as 1972, should people be exempt from that class?


No, but the teacher is running afoul of the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:30 pm

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What if they were teaching history and the text book said unicorns and dragons existed in NYC as recently as 1972, should people be exempt from that class?


this is getting to what if the text book said Aryan master race

Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.
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Postby Keemstar » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:31 pm

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this is getting to what if the text book said Aryan master race

Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.


trans people are biologically men
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Postby Kannap » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:33 pm

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What if they were teaching history and the text book said unicorns and dragons existed in NYC as recently as 1972, should people be exempt from that class?


this is getting to what if the text book said Aryan master race


Huh, i thought it was getting to what if the text book said that a race of tooth fairies live on Saturn and come to Earth to give quarters to boys and girls who lose their baby teeth.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:34 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.


trans people are biologically men

Not all. Some are women, some are neither. Again, you are providing the best case there is for why schools actually need to educate about gender.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:35 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.


trans people are biologically men

A rather muddled statement in light of FtM trans people...
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:35 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.


trans people are biologically men

Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.

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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:35 pm

Does that mean schools are also not allowed to teach said kids that romantic relationships are supposed to be between male and female?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:36 pm

Kannap wrote:
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this is getting to what if the text book said Aryan master race


Huh, i thought it was getting to what if the text book said that a race of tooth fairies live on Saturn and come to Earth to give quarters to boys and girls who lose their baby teeth.

Wait, this isn't true?

I have to make a call to my parents...
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Postby Keemstar » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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trans people are biologically men

Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.


you guys just like talking about facts so much I thought I would share a few
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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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trans people are biologically men

Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.

It's a hatred of men, mostly. Trans women are perceived to be men invading women's spaces, and because men are hated and distrusted based on sex anyway, men who "invade" women's spaces are viewed with double hate.

It's all bullshit of course. Trans women are not a threat to women just because they were born men. Get over yourselves people.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:38 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.


you guys just like talking about facts so much I thought I would share a few

The existence of FtM trans people means that what you said isn't a fact whatsoever...
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:38 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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That's not really a positive point, though.

Should they really be able to opt out of math tho?


Yes.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:39 pm

Diarcesia wrote:Does that mean schools are also not allowed to teach said kids that romantic relationships are supposed to be between male and female?


The asexual agenda strikes again 8)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:39 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.


you guys just like talking about facts so much I thought I would share a few

When?
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Postby Kannap » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Keemstar wrote:
trans people are biologically men

Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.


Their whole anti-trans gimmick with regard to bathroom bills has been "keeping men out of the women's bathrooms"

If they acknowledge FtM trans people exist, then they have to acknowledge the fact that they're advocating for forcing men who look like men into women's bathrooms instead.
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Postby Reginalida » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:43 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Yeah, what if the textbook said something blatantly counterfactual, as in your own hypothetical.


trans people are biologically men

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Are you kidding me
Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:46 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Tucker Carlson did a whole show on how it's less sexy now. We can only go with what's provided.


are you saying tucker has a green m&m fetish?


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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:51 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Very funny how transphobes are obsessed with trans women and ignore trans men and enbies.


you guys just like talking about facts so much I thought I would share a few


It’s what followers of science tend to do.

I would like to see your sources. Going to post them?
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Reginalida wrote:Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.


Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Reginalida wrote:Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.


Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking.

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF has always been a woman if they are a woman? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

It happens all the time.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:57 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking.

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF has always been a woman if they are a woman? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

It happens all the time.

People do be getting it on out there.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Reginalida wrote:Dude, this is the second thing I've seen you post that shows blatant ignorance to the LGBT community and it's history. You are the walking talking proof of the kind of uneducated idiocy this bill will bring to the next generation.


Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

There's some who are.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Straight women: 1.8% would date a trans person
Straight men: 3.3% would date a trans person
Gay men: 11.5% would date a trans person
Lesbian women: 29% would date a trans person
Bisexual/Queer/Nonbinary (they all get to share one group in this study): 52% would date a trans person.

However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women. And 33% of the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer participants said they would only date a trans person of one gender but not the other, even though one may expect this group to be attracted to multiple genders.

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women: 28% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks and 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man. There was no similar discrimination against trans men among those expected to be attracted to men: 0% of trans-inclusive gay men and only 5% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks excluded trans men from their dating pool.
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Postby Hamidiye » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:06 pm

Galloism wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Well, this line of thinking does make me wonder now whether most heterosexual cisgender pro LGBT men will "put their money where their mouth is" figuratively speaking?

My question to them is: would you really behave as if an MtF individual has always been a woman if they are a woman to you? Would you really go through with potentially having sex with such individuals if you're in that situation?

There's some who are.

https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Straight women: 1.8% would date a trans person
Straight men: 3.3% would date a trans person
Gay men: 11.5% would date a trans person
Lesbian women: 29% would date a trans person
Bisexual/Queer/Nonbinary (they all get to share one group in this study): 52% would date a trans person.

However, even among those groups, there is still a tendency to view the trans person as their birth sex for dating purposes:

Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women. And 33% of the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer participants said they would only date a trans person of one gender but not the other, even though one may expect this group to be attracted to multiple genders.

Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women: 28% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks and 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man. There was no similar discrimination against trans men among those expected to be attracted to men: 0% of trans-inclusive gay men and only 5% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks excluded trans men from their dating pool.


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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:11 pm

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Well, whom to date and not to date is ones own choice, is it not?

Yes.
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