Floridas ¨don´t say gay bill¨

[Space Squid]

I’m going to pray for you. That’s all I have to say to you.

I wonder if people who say this realize how condescending they sound.

What would be the point of saying it if they didn't?

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Why engage in productive dialogue under the framework of democratic pluralism to push forwards against social problems, when you can instead construct a Christian reality that only makes sense to Christians and go whine to god about how you’re being oppressed whenever someone calls out how absurd that is?

As I keep saying, when group A insists on marginalising and discriminating against group B, the idea of a society being accepting of both A and B is a fantasy. The Paradox of Tolerance, I believe people call it. If ensuring the full participation of group B in the economic, social, cultural, and intellectual life of the community is the desired objective, then to achieve that group A should be barred from perpetuating A-ness within society.

In order to protect the rights and dignities of gender and sexual minorities, it is necessary that Christianity be destroyed as a social and political force.

[The Alma Mater]

I’m going to pray for you. That’s all I have to say to you.

I wonder if people who say this realize how condescending they sound.

I always am reminded of "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others".
Just a sentence from some random book

[Galiantus III]

Can someone point me to where it says in the text of the Parental Rights in Education bill it actually says anything to the effect of "don't say gay"? I have the entire text of the bill in front of me and it seems to me everyone calling it the "don't say gay" bill has bought into a load of false propaganda that has nothing to do with the actual bill.

[Ifreann]

Can someone point me to where it says in the text of the Parental Rights in Education bill it actually says anything to the effect of "don't say gay"? I have the entire text of the bill in front of me and it seems to me everyone calling it the "don't say gay" bill has bought into a load of false propaganda that has nothing to do with the actual bill.

Do please share with us the text of the bill from which you are reading, so we're all on the same page.

[Galiantus III]

Can someone point me to where it says in the text of the Parental Rights in Education bill it actually says anything to the effect of "don't say gay"? I have the entire text of the bill in front of me and it seems to me everyone calling it the "don't say gay" bill has bought into a load of false propaganda that has nothing to do with the actual bill.

Do please share with us the text of the bill from which you are reading, so we're all on the same page.

Literally the text of the bill on the Florida Senate's website.

[Ifreann]

Do please share with us the text of the bill from which you are reading, so we're all on the same page.

Literally the text of the bill on the Florida Senate's website.

Thanks.

prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

You'll find the same on the first page of the PDF of the bill text linked on that page. Lines 21-23.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The bill doesn't even seem to do much and for the most part only applies from first grade to grade three. It's just a culture war grandstand, not much else.

[Reginalida]

Can someone point me to where it says in the text of the Parental Rights in Education bill it actually says anything to the effect of "don't say gay"? I have the entire text of the bill in front of me and it seems to me everyone calling it the "don't say gay" bill has bought into a load of false propaganda that has nothing to do with the actual bill.

"prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels"
This bit right here is what you're looking for

[Galiantus III]

Literally the text of the bill on the Florida Senate's website.

Thanks.

prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

You'll find the same on the first page of the PDF of the bill text linked on that page. Lines 21-23.

"sexual orientation" also includes "straight", and "gender identity" includes "cis". So a more honest title would be the "don't say gay, straight, cis, or trans" bill.

[Ifreann]

If what you did was ctrl+f the word "gay", then you probably shouldn't have claimed to have read the whole bill. Especially when you hadn't even read the first page.

[Ifreann]

Thanks.

prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

You'll find the same on the first page of the PDF of the bill text linked on that page. Lines 21-23.

"sexual orientation" also includes "straight", and "gender identity" includes "cis". So a more honest title would be the "don't say gay, straight, cis, or trans" bill.

The title of the bill is, as you are clearly aware, Parental Rights in Education. "Don't Say Gay" is just a nickname. Like "Obamacare", or "Hague Invasion Act".

[Galiantus III]

If what you did was ctrl+f the word "gay", then you probably shouldn't have claimed to have read the whole bill. Especially when you hadn't even read the first page.

I did read it. And I found the bit you pointed out before. But you must realize "sexual orientation" includes more than just "gay". The bill isn't targeted at gay sexual orientations. It is agnostic on the issue of being gay. Giving straight-oriented instruction is also prohibited. The point isn't gayness, but sexuality of any kind in the classroom.

[Galiantus III]

"sexual orientation" also includes "straight", and "gender identity" includes "cis". So a more honest title would be the "don't say gay, straight, cis, or trans" bill.

The title of the bill is, as you are clearly aware, Parental Rights in Education. "Don't Say Gay" is just a nickname. Like "Obamacare", or "Hague Invasion Act".

If we're going to give it a nickname, "don't say gay" is extraordinarily inaccurate. "Don't be a groomer" is far more accurate.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

If what you did was ctrl+f the word "gay", then you probably shouldn't have claimed to have read the whole bill. Especially when you hadn't even read the first page.

I did read it. And I found the bit you pointed out before. But you must realize "sexual orientation" includes more than just "gay". The bill isn't targeted at gay sexual orientations. It is agnostic on the issue of being gay. Giving straight-oriented instruction is also prohibited. The point isn't gayness, but sexuality of any kind in the classroom.

…and? people aren’t going to be sueing because of discussion of straight people. the point is to soft censor discussion of LGBTQ+ people.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

"sexual orientation" also includes "straight", and "gender identity" includes "cis". So a more honest title would be the "don't say gay, straight, cis, or trans" bill.

How does also preventing schools from talking about heterosexual sexuality somehow make preventing them from talking about other types of sexuality better? If anything it makes it worse - no sex education is complete without a discussion of the emotional and social aspects of human sexuality as well!

More to the point, does anyone seriously believe that the religious interest bloc is pushing this bill with the honest intention to enforce it equally against all of the subjects which it nominally covers? Because I sure don't. We all know exactly what kind of sexuality is meant when religious people talk about taking 'sexuality' out of the classroom.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

The title of the bill is, as you are clearly aware, Parental Rights in Education. "Don't Say Gay" is just a nickname. Like "Obamacare", or "Hague Invasion Act".

If we're going to give it a nickname, "don't say gay" is extraordinarily inaccurate. "Don't be a groomer" is far more accurate.

mentioning relationships isn’t grooming.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

The bill doesn't even seem to do much and for the most part only applies from first grade to grade three. It's just a culture war grandstand, not much else.

it doesn’t define what inappropriate discussion is, thus allowing lawsuits to be filed for pretty much anything that some parent sees as “inappropriate”. this is a smart move, as it censores discussion of gender identity while proponents of the bill can claim that it just applies to inappropriate discussion.

[The Alma Mater]

The title of the bill is, as you are clearly aware, Parental Rights in Education. "Don't Say Gay" is just a nickname. Like "Obamacare", or "Hague Invasion Act".

If we're going to give it a nickname, "don't say gay" is extraordinarily inaccurate. "Don't be a groomer" is far more accurate.

Nah. "Be a snitch" would be more accurate.

[Ifreann]

If what you did was ctrl+f the word "gay", then you probably shouldn't have claimed to have read the whole bill. Especially when you hadn't even read the first page.

I did read it. And I found the bit you pointed out before. But you must realize "sexual orientation" includes more than just "gay". The bill isn't targeted at gay sexual orientations. It is agnostic on the issue of being gay. Giving straight-oriented instruction is also prohibited. The point isn't gayness, but sexuality of any kind in the classroom.

Do you not realise that people dubbed this the "Don't Say Gay" bill based on the wider political context in Florida? You're fooling yourself if you think that this law will be used to shut down mentions of Snow White marrying Prince Charming.

[Galiantus III]

"sexual orientation" also includes "straight", and "gender identity" includes "cis". So a more honest title would be the "don't say gay, straight, cis, or trans" bill.

How does also preventing schools from talking about heterosexual sexuality somehow make preventing them from talking about other types of sexuality better? If anything it makes it worse - no sex education is complete without a discussion of the emotional and social aspects of human sexuality as well!

More to the point, does anyone seriously believe that the religious interest bloc is pushing this bill with the honest intention to enforce it equally against all of the subjects which it nominally covers? Because I sure don't. We all know exactly what kind of sexuality is meant when religious people talk about taking 'sexuality' out of the classroom.

Is this a joke? You are aware conservatives have tried to, at pretty much every turn, to eliminate sex-ed from schools. Or are you really, truly, unaware of this fact? It is actually quite insulting of you to suggest that a conservative bill passed to completely eliminate talking about sex in the classroom is not going to be enforced to the fullest extent. We don't want sex ed. Period.

[The Alma Mater]

The bill doesn't even seem to do much and for the most part only applies from first grade to grade three. It's just a culture war grandstand, not much else.

it doesn’t define what inappropriate discussion is, thus allowing lawsuits to be filed for pretty much anything that some parent sees as “inappropriate”. this is a smart move, as it censores discussion of gender identity while proponents of the bill can claim that it just applies to inappropriate discussion.

As mentioned before: any discussion of how a bethroted virgin was impregnated by a supernatural being is highly inapppropiate; as is abstinence only education.
Right ?

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

As mentioned before: any discussion of how a bethroted virgin was impregnated by a supernatural being is highly inapppropiate; as is abstinence only education.
Right ?

Don't we have a Satanist Church whose entire point of existing is to file lawsuits like these?

They should get on that soonish.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

How does also preventing schools from talking about heterosexual sexuality somehow make preventing them from talking about other types of sexuality better? If anything it makes it worse - no sex education is complete without a discussion of the emotional and social aspects of human sexuality as well!

More to the point, does anyone seriously believe that the religious interest bloc is pushing this bill with the honest intention to enforce it equally against all of the subjects which it nominally covers? Because I sure don't. We all know exactly what kind of sexuality is meant when religious people talk about taking 'sexuality' out of the classroom.

Is this a joke? You are aware conservatives have tried to, at pretty much every turn, to eliminate sex-ed from schools. Or are you really, truly, unaware of this fact? It is actually quite insulting of you to suggest that a conservative bill passed to completely eliminate talking about sex in the classroom is not going to be enforced to the fullest extent. We don't want sex ed. Period.

that’s an incredible idea. not telling people things will definitely not result in them learning them anyway from sources that cannot be easily regulated.

[Heloin]

How does also preventing schools from talking about heterosexual sexuality somehow make preventing them from talking about other types of sexuality better? If anything it makes it worse - no sex education is complete without a discussion of the emotional and social aspects of human sexuality as well!

More to the point, does anyone seriously believe that the religious interest bloc is pushing this bill with the honest intention to enforce it equally against all of the subjects which it nominally covers? Because I sure don't. We all know exactly what kind of sexuality is meant when religious people talk about taking 'sexuality' out of the classroom.

Is this a joke? You are aware conservatives have tried to, at pretty much every turn, to eliminate sex-ed from schools. Or are you really, truly, unaware of this fact? It is actually quite insulting of you to suggest that a conservative bill passed to completely eliminate talking about sex in the classroom is not going to be enforced to the fullest extent. We don't want sex ed. Period.

In simple terms you don’t know what your talking, you don’t know what the bill is about, you’re solely engaging in a moral panic that harasses children because you think being gay is sexually abusive because again you don’t what is happening.