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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:33 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:When did you choose to be gay then?


I don’t believe it is a choice. I’ve had same-sex attraction with as so long as I can remember. I cannot tell if this was a result of my upbringing or past trauma or whatever. What I do know is that I can never fulfill these desires because of my religious faith.

There is no evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is linked to upbringing or trauma, so you can't write off homosexuality as originating in that manner.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:33 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:When did you choose to be gay then?


I don’t believe it is a choice. I’ve had same-sex attraction with as so long as I can remember. I cannot tell if this was a result of my upbringing or past trauma or whatever. What I do know is that I can never fulfill these desires because of my religious faith.

Because you where born gay. Because people are born gay and trans. You’re just lying to yourself to fix this blatant hypocrisy in your head.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:37 pm

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Define young people.


Grades K-10


Basic sex education on average starts at 5-6th grades. I don’t know what kinders, 1st and 2nd graders are always brought up in “OMG they want to teach homosexuality!?!?!?!!?”

Kinders? Seriously. They could talk about it forever and they would basically be “ok!” And not understand what was discussed.

Puberty is a good time for such talks as in general they are starting to wonder about it anyway.

Much as many many religious people think; if the amount of homosexuals increases; it’s only because they feel comfortable admitting to being one.

Ignorance is a bad thing.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:38 pm

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What’s fundamental to a young person’s education?


Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things

Even though, as has already been pointed out, LGBT topics fall under the given umbrella, I would like to point out that by this logic things like trades, art, and computer skills should also be disallowed.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:38 pm

The vast majority of lbqt+ stuff tends to be in high school and pretain to clubs rather than actual lecture. A age where your horny enough to know which way you swing. The legislation reads like a conservative mother concerned her son or daughter might come out of the closet.

So in the vast majority of the situations, it's a bill designed to shut down certain groups from organizing in a public structure. Based upon an idea of moral purity.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:41 pm

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Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.


A certain person on this site loves to say “That is your opinion” That’s all it is and it doesn’t make it right.

As mentioned about a bazillion times. We have examples in the animal kingdom. The fact we are born cisgender does mean we are only attracted to the opposite. Some just aren’t.

Someday; we will identify a genetic sequence which suggests homosexuality. We will also get the “faithful” going GREAT now we can fix them!
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Postby Neu California » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:41 pm

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Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.

Well, you're wrong on gender identity

Study on transgender bran development

Sexuality is exceedingly complicated, though

23 and me sexuality study (which I did participate in). There isn't any real reason not to teach students about this complex topic IMO, and you haven't offered one beyond "it's not fundamental."
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:42 pm

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Indeed. The only thing close was love your neighbor as yourself.


I hate my sins as well. ;)


Thoughts and prayers! :p
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:46 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.


If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.


Hmmm? Well? There are still hateful people who understand they can’t get it criminalized. They are ok with it as long as they are over there!
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Postby Kannap » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:46 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.


If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.


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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:48 pm

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If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.


hate comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors.


I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

I am more of a Ned Flanders type of Christian.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:48 pm

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Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.


There are some things you don't have to believe for them to be true.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:49 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Kannap wrote:
hate comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors.


I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

I am more of a Ned Flanders type of Christian.


But it seems apparent you hate yourself for something you did not chose.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:50 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:The vast majority of lbqt+ stuff tends to be in high school and pretain to clubs rather than actual lecture. A age where your horny enough to know which way you swing. The legislation reads like a conservative mother concerned her son or daughter might come out of the closet.

So in the vast majority of the situations, it's a bill designed to shut down certain groups from organizing in a public structure. Based upon an idea of moral purity.


Some actually know at the time of puberty. As one friend said he had a hard time as he thought he was some kind of a freak since he thought he was the only one who had such thoughts.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:52 pm

Heloin wrote:
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I don’t believe it is a choice. I’ve had same-sex attraction with as so long as I can remember. I cannot tell if this was a result of my upbringing or past trauma or whatever. What I do know is that I can never fulfill these desires because of my religious faith.

Because you where born gay. Because people are born gay and trans. You’re just lying to yourself to fix this blatant hypocrisy in your head.


Gotta deny people are born gay because then you have to wrestle with the idea that if people are born gay then its by God's design and, if such, serves a God-given purpose and that doesn't mesh with God believing its a sin.

Been there, done that, boring couple years of my life.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things


Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.


Science and reading/writing too, I'd suggest.

Science simply because LGBT topics are critical parts of psychology and sociology, among other scientific fields.

Reading/writing because of literature written by LGBT authors or with LGBT themes, which is not just a recent thing either.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:56 pm

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hate comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors.


I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

I am more of a Ned Flanders type of Christian.


You may not physically go out and act hateful towards LGBT people, but your comments in this thread and in past threads are indicative of your hatred towards LGBT people including yourself.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:57 pm

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Kannap wrote:
hate comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors.


I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

As Kannap said, that's not the only kind of hate. Someone who would shield their kids' eyes and hurry them along from a visibly queer person on the street is not not hateful just because the Nazis put us in camps.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:59 pm

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Heloin wrote:Because you where born gay. Because people are born gay and trans. You’re just lying to yourself to fix this blatant hypocrisy in your head.


Gotta deny people are born gay because then you have to wrestle with the idea that if people are born gay then its by God's design and, if such, serves a God-given purpose and that doesn't mesh with God believing its a sin.

Been there, done that, boring couple years of my life.


I also chose one time in my life to embrace a gay identity. It didn’t really bring me any peace. I even went to a church that caters to LGBT people at all that really resulting in is perverted old men talking sexually to me when I was a teenager. I’ve never felt at peace within the LGBT community and the culture. I’m also glad that I have never engaged in any physical activity either because that saved me a lot of heartache and possible STI‘s.

I’m not gonna talk about this anymore because it’s depressing to me. See you in other threads
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:03 pm

Kannap wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

I am more of a Ned Flanders type of Christian.


You may not physically go out and act hateful towards LGBT people, but your comments in this thread and in past threads are indicative of your hatred towards LGBT people including yourself.


Final note, I would not treat LGBT people any differently than heterosexual and cisgender people. I would treat them with love and respect that I believe Christ commands me to. I would not start preaching fire and brimstone to them or misgender anyone.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:The vast majority of lbqt+ stuff tends to be in high school and pretain to clubs rather than actual lecture. A age where your horny enough to know which way you swing. The legislation reads like a conservative mother concerned her son or daughter might come out of the closet.

So in the vast majority of the situations, it's a bill designed to shut down certain groups from organizing in a public structure. Based upon an idea of moral purity.


Some actually know at the time of puberty. As one friend said he had a hard time as he thought he was some kind of a freak since he thought he was the only one who had such thoughts.

Yep. It's not a bad thing to have a space for like-minded individuals. And clubs often the least offensive structure in all honesty.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:05 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Kannap wrote:hate comes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors.


I do not act hateful towards any LGBT person. I’m not gonna go to a pride parade and start screaming at them that they’re going to hell.

I am more of a Ned Flanders type of Christian.

No, what you are advocating is hateful towards LGBT persons as a whole, that's arguably far worse.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Final note, I would not treat LGBT people any differently than heterosexual and cisgender people.[...]

That's a blatant lie, you are treating them differently in terms of what you are advocating.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:07 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Kannap wrote:
You may not physically go out and act hateful towards LGBT people, but your comments in this thread and in past threads are indicative of your hatred towards LGBT people including yourself.


Final note, I would not treat LGBT people any differently than heterosexual and cisgender people. I would treat them with love and respect that I believe Christ commands me to. I would not start preaching fire and brimstone to them or misgender anyone.

You are insisting on treating them differently. You are denying LGBT kids existence. If you believed for a second that you should treat them with respect then you would stop what your doing.
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Postby Keemstar » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:23 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
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Some actually know at the time of puberty. As one friend said he had a hard time as he thought he was some kind of a freak since he thought he was the only one who had such thoughts.

Yep. It's not a bad thing to have a space for like-minded individuals. And clubs often the least offensive structure in all honesty.


there's a club in my school called the rainbow alliance and heritage appreciation club. The heritage club has BLM signs everywhere.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:25 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yep. It's not a bad thing to have a space for like-minded individuals. And clubs often the least offensive structure in all honesty.


there's a club in my school called the rainbow alliance and heritage appreciation club. The heritage club has BLM signs everywhere.



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