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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:05 pm

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Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.


I disagree. I don’t think sexual orientation and gender identity fall are necessary for young people to learn about

Please explain how LGBTQ does not fall under social studies, as right now all you have is a denial without anything to actually back it up.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:06 pm

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Heloin wrote:Drink.


I can love people and not approve of their sins at the same time.


Oh Geez. Never was there such utter tripe then to say “hate the sin, love the sinner”. Abuse of something Ghandi wrote. It’s reached the point of a cliche.

Basically it’s simply: Oh I don’t hate them…..they just shouldn’t be equals to the hetros/cisgender.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:06 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.


I disagree. I don’t think sexual orientation and gender identity fall are necessary for young people to learn about


Define young people.
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Postby Neu California » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:08 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I can love people and not approve of their sins at the same time.


Oh Geez. Never was there such utter tripe then to say “hate the sin, love the sinner”. Abuse of something Ghandi wrote. It’s reached the point of a cliche.

Basically it’s simply: Oh I don’t hate them…..they just shouldn’t be equals to the hetros/cisgender.

BTW, (not a response to you Forrest, just adding to what you said) Jesus never said "Hate the sin, love the sinner." in fact it appears nowhere in the bible.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:10 pm

Neu California wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh Geez. Never was there such utter tripe then to say “hate the sin, love the sinner”. Abuse of something Ghandi wrote. It’s reached the point of a cliche.

Basically it’s simply: Oh I don’t hate them…..they just shouldn’t be equals to the hetros/cisgender.

BTW, (not a response to you Forrest, just adding to what you said) Jesus never said "Hate the sin, love the sinner." in fact it appears nowhere in the bible.


Indeed. The only thing close was love your neighbor as yourself.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I disagree. I don’t think sexual orientation and gender identity fall are necessary for young people to learn about


Define young people.


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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:10 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:Drink.


I can love people and not approve of their sins at the same time.

To put it frankly no you can’t. You can’t express hate for someone then pretend that you don’t actually hate them.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neu California wrote:BTW, (not a response to you Forrest, just adding to what you said) Jesus never said "Hate the sin, love the sinner." in fact it appears nowhere in the bible.


Indeed. The only thing close was love your neighbor as yourself.


I hate my sins as well. ;)
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:11 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Define young people.


Grades K-10

And now you can explain why you think LGBTQ does not fall under social studies...
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:16 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Grades K-10

And now you can explain why you think LGBTQ does not fall under social studies...


Because sexual orientation and gender expression is not a fundamental social science that young people need to learn about.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:17 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed. The only thing close was love your neighbor as yourself.


I hate my sins as well. ;)

You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:18 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And now you can explain why you think LGBTQ does not fall under social studies...


Because sexual orientation and gender expression is not a fundamental social science that young people need to learn about.

social studies
plural noun

a course of study that deals with human relationships and the way society works

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... %20studies

Try to bend and flex LGBTQ so that it doesn't fit into that definition. Go on, try.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Heloin wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I hate my sins as well. ;)

You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.


If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:21 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.


If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.

One can be hateful without wanting something criminalised, what you said is a totally nonsense standard to set for something to constitute hate.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:23 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re a self hating person who’s decided to be hateful to others as a result. Sounds like a serious you problem.


If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.

If you weren’t hateful you wouldn’t be in support of this bill. If you weren’t hateful you wouldn’t call LGBT folks sinners and sodomites. The only thing you’re accomplishing by pretending not to be hateful is telling me that you will lie to spread hate.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:23 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
If I was hateful, I would want homosexuality and transgenderism to be criminalized. I don’t wish for that to happen.

One can be hateful without wanting something criminalised, what you said is a totally nonsense standard to set for something to constitute hate.


Well if that’s how you feel, so be it. I can’t not abandon my religious faith just because some people view it as hateful.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:24 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:One can be hateful without wanting something criminalised, what you said is a totally nonsense standard to set for something to constitute hate.


Well if that’s how you feel, so be it. I can’t not abandon my religious faith just because some people view it as hateful.

If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:26 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:One can be hateful without wanting something criminalised, what you said is a totally nonsense standard to set for something to constitute hate.


Well if that’s how you feel, so be it. I can’t not abandon my religious faith just because some people view it as hateful.


You can believe what you want but a bill banning children from being taught about LGBT issues and requiring they be outed to their parents is wrong. You should not impose your religious beliefs on others.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:27 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:One can be hateful without wanting something criminalised, what you said is a totally nonsense standard to set for something to constitute hate.


Well if that’s how you feel, so be it. I can’t not abandon my religious faith just because some people view it as hateful.

It is hateful, it's not that some people just merely feel that it is.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:27 pm

Heloin wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Well if that’s how you feel, so be it. I can’t not abandon my religious faith just because some people view it as hateful.

If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.
I’m a Protestant Christian and American Patriot. 30 year-old male from MPLS, MN. Volcel with SSA.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:28 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.

When did you choose to be gay then?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:29 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.


I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.


No one choses to be gay. This has been proven false by science.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:30 pm

Daily reminder that the Nazis didn't start by directly chucking the gays into the gas chambers, but with shit like this designed to diminish and destroy what independence homosexuals had in society.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:31 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I don’t believe that I nor anyone else was born with same-sex attractions or gender identity that contradicts their biological sex.

When did you choose to be gay then?


I don’t believe it is a choice. I’ve had same-sex attraction with as so long as I can remember. I cannot tell if this was a result of my upbringing or past trauma or whatever. What I do know is that I can never fulfill these desires because of my religious faith.
I’m a Protestant Christian and American Patriot. 30 year-old male from MPLS, MN. Volcel with SSA.
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Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:32 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When did you choose to be gay then?


I don’t believe it is a choice. I’ve had same-sex attraction with as so long as I can remember. I cannot tell if this was a result of my upbringing or past trauma or whatever. What I do know is that I can never fulfill these desires because of my religious faith.

It has nothing to with past trauma or your upbringing.

That is ridiculous to deprive yourself of a loving relationship because of the viewpoints of your religion. Its not sin to be gay.

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