Floridas ¨don´t say gay bill¨

[Keemstar]

the pursuit of atheism has also killed many and has people justify terrible things.

A. Whataboutism
B. Some people pursuing a cause, whether religious, irreligious, political, or otherwise do bad things. That's how it's always been and will always be. Condemn those doing the bad things, but consider their causes on their.own merits (unless the majority either do or facilitate doing those bad things)

I agree with A I am using whataboutism but it was ok in this context and I agree with B

[Thepeopl]

Not only ^
But, if you feel attracted to the same sex, or not feel attracted at all, you should know as child/ teenager that you are normal. Love is love. Everyone is under enough peer pressure already. Love isn't offensive just because some religious people say so.
Acceptance of oneself is more important than bible lessons.

Is there a particular reason this lesson needs to be framed within the context of homosexuality or the oppression of LGBT folk rather than generalized?

As stated by others: see OP.

As stated by me : don't care about plumbing, tradition, colour. All children should be cherished and supported. All children (and because every person has been a child, every person) should be taught to be confident, loving, caring, competent and dependable. To know how to care for oneself physically and mentally and how to care for others.

[Neuer California]

A. Whataboutism
B. Some people pursuing a cause, whether religious, irreligious, political, or otherwise do bad things. That's how it's always been and will always be. Condemn those doing the bad things, but consider their causes on their.own merits (unless the majority either do or facilitate doing those bad things)

I agree with A I am using whataboutism but it was ok in this context and I agree with B

How is it okay in this context?

[Cannot think of a name]

I agree with A I am using whataboutism but it was ok in this context and I agree with B

How is it okay in this context?

Especially since it strains the very meaning of the word 'context'.

[San Lumen]

A. Whataboutism
B. Some people pursuing a cause, whether religious, irreligious, political, or otherwise do bad things. That's how it's always been and will always be. Condemn those doing the bad things, but consider their causes on their.own merits (unless the majority either do or facilitate doing those bad things)

I agree with A I am using whataboutism but it was ok in this context and I agree with B

Still waiting for your explanation as to why it’s bad for children to be taught about homosexuality or school and why its not a bad thing to out them to their parents. Plus this bill could be detrimental to children of same sex couples.

[Prima Scriptura]

Well, I am a person that exclusively has same-sex attractions. Had them ever since puberty… So, I kinda know what it feels like. That still doesn’t change my opinion that children shouldn’t be taught about sodomy or transgenderism.

1. And while you may be perfectly okay with repressing your human nature to appease your church leaders or whoever you're doing it for, that's not the case across the board for everybody. Most people, actually, seem to prefer to accept themselves instead of trying to shove it into a box and hide it under the bed. It's this repression and this self-hatred a lot of LGBT people never have the chance to learn they don't have to have before they commit suicide. The youth LGBT suicide rate is high enough, why should we be doing things that may make it higher?

Let me say it for you again. I was not a victim. I was a hateful little shit. However, this does not change my opinion that I wouldn’t want my children get lessons on sodomy.

Schools aren't teaching kids sex acts and if you think teaching about LGBT history or LGBT people is just teaching about gay sex

God may view homosexuality and transgenderism as sins, but that doesn’t mean we should attack them or have them face persecuted. I support the right for an adult to change their legal gender. I would even respect their chosen pronouns. I support the right for homosexual couples to enter a civil marriage and the civil rights that come with them.

But I will NOT change my opinion of if they are sins because I feel that would me betraying God.

2. Sounds like you're already there if you're telling the truth about what you support here. I mean, in my experience with conservative Christian family members and their beliefs/churches, you'd have already been kicked out of the club if you support all the things you say you support here.

I guess the question is if you believe homosexuality and transgenderism are sins and God hates them (I don't believe either of these things are true), then wouldn't your support of these things be a betrayal of God?

1. I’m choosing to remain celibate because I believe it’s a commandment from Almighty God. It’s not because my church leader or any other human on earth tells me. I believe that God has called certain people to celibacy and I believe those that have exclusive same-sex attractions are among those.

2. No, because not all theologically conservative Christians believe in theocracy. I believe blasphemy is a sin but I don’t support blasphemy laws.

[Neuer California]

Well, if we're drifting towards Christianity and homosexuality, I always liked what Desmond Tutu said almost 9 years ago: "I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this."

But yeah, I see this law simply causing more pain and suffering for a community that has dealt with horrible discrimination for centuries and is now getting g the respect they deserve, all because some conservatives don't like how these people now have more equal rights.

[Neuer California]

1. And while you may be perfectly okay with repressing your human nature to appease your church leaders or whoever you're doing it for, that's not the case across the board for everybody. Most people, actually, seem to prefer to accept themselves instead of trying to shove it into a box and hide it under the bed. It's this repression and this self-hatred a lot of LGBT people never have the chance to learn they don't have to have before they commit suicide. The youth LGBT suicide rate is high enough, why should we be doing things that may make it higher?



Schools aren't teaching kids sex acts and if you think teaching about LGBT history or LGBT people is just teaching about gay sex



2. Sounds like you're already there if you're telling the truth about what you support here. I mean, in my experience with conservative Christian family members and their beliefs/churches, you'd have already been kicked out of the club if you support all the things you say you support here.

I guess the question is if you believe homosexuality and transgenderism are sins and God hates them (I don't believe either of these things are true), then wouldn't your support of these things be a betrayal of God?

1. I’m choosing to remain celibate because I believe it’s a commandment from Almighty God. It’s not because my church leader or any other human on earth tells me. I believe that God has called certain people to celibacy and I believe those that have exclusive same-sex attractions are among those.

2. No, because not all theologically conservative Christians believe in theocracy. I believe blasphemy is a sin but I don’t support blasphemy laws.

You haven't explained why you think they shouldn't be taught about sodomy* and transgenderism** I'll note. Just why you, yourself choose to remain celibate. Also, I'm curious what you make of the science that says that transgenders' brains are more structurally similar to those people of their desired gender than those of their birth gender.

*As if any school teaches about specific sex acts anyway
**A term widely considered offensive in the transgender community. Most I've read say "being transgender" is better phrasing

[Kannap]

Well, if we're drifting towards Christianity and homosexuality, I always liked what Desmond Tutu said almost 9 years ago: "I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this."

But yeah, I see this law simply causing more pain and suffering for a community that has dealt with horrible discrimination for centuries and is now getting g the respect they deserve, all because some conservatives don't like how these people now have more equal rights.

Based Christian, Desmond Tutu.

[Prima Scriptura]

1. I’m choosing to remain celibate because I believe it’s a commandment from Almighty God. It’s not because my church leader or any other human on earth tells me. I believe that God has called certain people to celibacy and I believe those that have exclusive same-sex attractions are among those.

2. No, because not all theologically conservative Christians believe in theocracy. I believe blasphemy is a sin but I don’t support blasphemy laws.

You haven't explained why you think they shouldn't be taught about sodomy* and transgenderism** I'll note. Just why you, yourself choose to remain celibate. Also, I'm curious what you make of the science that says that transgenders' brains are more structurally similar to those people of their desired gender than those of their birth gender.

*As if any school teaches about specific sex acts anyway
**A term widely considered offensive in the transgender community. Most I've read say "being transgender" is better phrasing

It’s simple. I believe God says homosexual and transgender activities are sinful and I don’t want any potential children of mine to receive an education that affirms activities that I believe God has deemed sinful.

[Neu California]

You haven't explained why you think they shouldn't be taught about sodomy* and transgenderism** I'll note. Just why you, yourself choose to remain celibate. Also, I'm curious what you make of the science that says that transgenders' brains are more structurally similar to those people of their desired gender than those of their birth gender.

*As if any school teaches about specific sex acts anyway
**A term widely considered offensive in the transgender community. Most I've read say "being transgender" is better phrasing

It’s simple. I believe God says homosexual and transgender activities are sinful and I don’t want any potential children of mine to receive an education that affirms activities that I believe God has deemed sinful.

On the other hand, the United States is not a Christian nation (Treaty of Tripoli), so what people believe God wants should not enter into consideration for what the law in the US is. If you don't want your kids learning about this, then just send them to a Christian school that explicitly won't teach about it, don't force your beliefs on everyone else.

[Prima Scriptura]

It’s simple. I believe God says homosexual and transgender activities are sinful and I don’t want any potential children of mine to receive an education that affirms activities that I believe God has deemed sinful.

On the other hand, the United States is not a Christian nation (Treaty of Tripoli), so what people believe God wants should not enter into consideration for what the law in the US is. If you don't want your kids learning about this, then just send them to a Christian school that explicitly won't teach about it, don't force your beliefs on everyone else.

If I have children, I would most likely send them to private school because the quality of public schools is atrocious

[Neu California]

On the other hand, the United States is not a Christian nation (Treaty of Tripoli), so what people believe God wants should not enter into consideration for what the law in the US is. If you don't want your kids learning about this, then just send them to a Christian school that explicitly won't teach about it, don't force your beliefs on everyone else.

If I have children, I would most likely send them to private school because the quality of public schools is atrocious

So, if that's the case, why do you think public schools shouldn't teach about these things? You did explicitly say you wouldn't want your children, in particular, learning about these things.

[Prima Scriptura]

If I have children, I would most likely send them to private school because the quality of public schools is atrocious

So, if that's the case, why do you think public schools shouldn't teach about these things? You did explicitly say you wouldn't want your children, in particular, learning about these things.

Because I don’t believe teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism is fundamental to a young person’s education.

[The Black Forrest]

source?

Mark 12:31

What if you hate yourself?

[Neu California]

So, if that's the case, why do you think public schools shouldn't teach about these things? You did explicitly say you wouldn't want your children, in particular, learning about these things.

Because I don’t believe teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism is fundamental to a young person’s education.

There are a lot of things that can be considered "not fundamental" to a young person's education that we still teach. Why single those out? And why explicitly ban teaching about them?

[The Black Forrest]

So, if that's the case, why do you think public schools shouldn't teach about these things? You did explicitly say you wouldn't want your children, in particular, learning about these things.

Because I don’t believe teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism is fundamental to a young person’s education.

What’s fundamental to a young person’s education?

[Prima Scriptura]

Because I don’t believe teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism is fundamental to a young person’s education.

What’s fundamental to a young person’s education?

Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things

[Heloin]

Mark 12:31

What if you hate yourself?

Drink.

[The Black Forrest]

What’s fundamental to a young person’s education?

Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things

Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.

[Prima Scriptura]

What if you hate yourself?

Drink.

I can love people and not approve of their sins at the same time.

[Neu California]

Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things

Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.

And, technically, physical education (if you count health class as such).

To prima: again, why are you singling out this one thing you call non-fundamental for banning?

[Prima Scriptura]

Reading, writing, arithmetic, social studies, Science, physical education to name a few things

Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.

I disagree. I don’t think sexual orientation and gender identity fall are necessary for young people to learn about

[The New California Republic]

So, if that's the case, why do you think public schools shouldn't teach about these things? You did explicitly say you wouldn't want your children, in particular, learning about these things.

Because I don’t believe teaching about homosexuality or transgenderism is fundamental to a young person’s education.

One of the purposes of education at its most basic level is to teach people what exists and has existed, as that knowledge is a key foundation upon which everything else is built. If you want to Memory Hole something out of that, then you need to provide cogent and airtight reasoning for it, but so far you have not provided anything of the sort.

[Neu California]

Guess where LGBTQ falls under?

Social Studies.

I disagree. I don’t think sexual orientation and gender identity fall are necessary for young people to learn about

And that means we should ban teaching about them, why?