American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[San Lumen]

Heres a state legislator in New Hampshire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Labranche

Survived stage 3 colon cancer as a ten year old, in America.

here's one from West Virginia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Holstein

In a Bachelor of Arts programme.

Here is the current speaker of the Maine House of Representatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fecteau

Oh hey look yet another guy who went to a super rich university.

This is a gish gallop btw.

Who isn’t rich elitist to you?

[Shrillland]

Survived stage 3 colon cancer as a ten year old, in America.



In a Bachelor of Arts programme.


Oh hey look yet another guy who went to a super rich university.

This is a gish gallop btw.

Who isn’t rich elitist to you?

He's not saying they're elitist per se, he's saying that they had enough money(or their families did) to be able to do these things. It's good that the one managed to survive colon cancer as a child, for example, and that he moved on into politics to help others out, but it can't be denied that any person who manages to beat such a disease at such an advanced stage has to have a good deal of money to afford the high-quality insurance that's needed for hospitals to take you seriously. Take it from me, my family's having a lot of trouble finding a good doctor for my sister's medical issues, and she has Medicaid(albeit the Blue Cross variety).

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Survived stage 3 colon cancer as a ten year old, in America.



In a Bachelor of Arts programme.


Oh hey look yet another guy who went to a super rich university.

This is a gish gallop btw.

Who isn’t rich elitist to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish society. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American society.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Who isn’t rich elitist to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish democracy. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American democracy.

My god. We need this in America.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And why is having a uni degree not an immediate sign of wealth in Sweden? Because in Sweden you get paid by the state to go to uni. Meanwhile in America going through a 7 year master's programme costs you nearly 100,000 dollars just to get past the door.

[Novus America]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish democracy. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American democracy.

My god. We need this in America.

Conscription?
Funny that many who love to stan the Nordic countries the hardest seem to not want a lot of what they have.

[Shrillland]

My god. We need this in America.

Conscription?

No, we don't necessarily need that, most European countries got rid of national service since it was no longer a vital necessity, and social cohesion was found to be achievable by other means. Sweden did reinstate it, but only because Russia's been acting up towards the Baltics as well as Ukraine.

[San Lumen]

Who isn’t rich elitist to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish society. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

Harry Truman never went to college, served in World War One and after returning to Missouri opened a haberdashery in Kansas City.

A recession forced his business to close. A friend of his from the war told his uncle about him and Truman was asked if he wanted to run for Jackson county judge in 1922.

He lost re-election in 1926 and ran for presiding judge where he served until 1934 when he was elected to the senate.

Truman was nominated as the Vice Presidential candidate in 1944 and became president a few months later when FDR died. In 1948 he won re-election in one of the greatest upsets in American history.

Truman is sometimes known as the nobody who became somebody.

[Novus America]

And why is having a uni degree not an immediate sign of wealth in Sweden? Because in Sweden you get paid by the state to go to uni. Meanwhile in America going through a 7 year master's programme costs you nearly 100,000 dollars just to get past the door.

He did his military service. The US has ROTC and the GI Bill, plus other public service student loan forgiveness and funding programs….

Many here in the US think it is “free”. It is not. It is something you get as part of a social contract, a social contract in which YOU also have obligations.

Many of those demanding “free” stuff seem to miss that point. Many seem to want all the benefits but with none of the obligations.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish society. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

Great, but you had to go back to WWII to find one.

[The Jamesian Republic]

My god. We need this in America.

Conscription?
Funny that many who love to stan the Nordic countries the hardest seem to not want a lot of what they have.

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And why is having a uni degree not an immediate sign of wealth in Sweden? Because in Sweden you get paid by the state to go to uni. Meanwhile in America going through a 7 year master's programme costs you nearly 100,000 dollars just to get past the door.

He did his military service. The US has ROTC and the GI Bill, plus other public service student loan forgiveness and funding programs….

Many here in the US think it is “free”. It is not. It is something you get as part of a social contract, a social contract in which YOU also have obligations.

Many of those demanding “free” stuff seem to miss that point. Many seem to want all the benefits but with none of the obligations.

Every Swedish citizen gets supported, without fear or favour. The only thing required is academic results. That's clearly not how it works in America.

[San Lumen]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

Great, but you had to go back to WWII to find one.

You wanted an example I gave you one but you still find a way to dismiss it.

[Shrillland]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

Great, but you had to go back to WWII to find one.

And it doesn't technically apply anyway since he was a significant part of the powerful Kansas City machine of Tom Pendergast, at that point the third most powerful Democratic machine boss in the country behind those in New York and Chicago.

[Shrillland]

Conscription?
Funny that many who love to stan the Nordic countries the hardest seem to not want a lot of what they have.

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

Yeah, all of the Scandinavian/Nordic countries have conscription, one year's service minimum starting with basic training and then the choice of military or civilian service. I'm not one to speak of such things, however, by our US definitions, I'd be 4F due to my moderate Autism.

[San Lumen]

Great, but you had to go back to WWII to find one.

And it doesn't technically apply anyway since he was a significant part of the powerful Kansas City machine of Tom Pendergast, at that point the third most powerful Democratic machine boss in the country behind those in New York and Chicago.

True but if his business hadn’t failed it’s quite possible he would have never run for office.

[Novus America]

Conscription?

No, we don't necessarily need that, most European countries got rid of national service since it was no longer a vital necessity, and social cohesion was found to be achievable by other means. Sweden did reinstate it, but only because Russia's been acting up towards the Baltics as well as Ukraine.

All the Nordics still have it, to varying degrees. And umm we are kind of struggling with social cohesion now.

Point is as I said it is not “free”. You have obligations to society you are expected to fulfill and if you fulfill similar obligations in the US you get something similar.

I actually agree national service (not necessarily military though obviously military would count) should not be strictly mandatory but should be required to receive government funding for college.

Which kind of is the case here, although less formalized than it should be, ROTC, the GI Bill, federal government employee loan forgiveness/tuition exist. As do other state and local programs, Maryland has a TEACH grant, etc.

It is not as formalized or organized, but tuition assistance in exchange for fulfilling social obligations does also exist here.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

Yeah, all of the Scandinavian/Nordic countries have conscription, one year's service minimum starting with basic training and then the choice of military or civilian service. I'm not one to speak of such things, however, by our US definitions, I'd be 4F due to my moderate Autism.

Thanks for explaining. I genuinely had no idea they did that.

[Ifreann]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven

Edit: That a welder and foster child who dropped out of uni can work his way up to Head of Government speaks of the robustness of Swedish society. That this is impossible in America speaks of the fatal weakness of American society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

Harry Truman never went to college, served in World War One and after returning to Missouri opened a haberdashery in Kansas City.

A recession forced his business to close. A friend of his from the war told his uncle about him and Truman was asked if he wanted to run for Jackson county judge in 1922...

He was a judge without studying law? Sounds bad, actually. What kind of rulings was this random haberdasher handing down?

[Kingdom of Snoreway]

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

Yeah, all of the Scandinavian/Nordic countries have conscription, one year's service minimum starting with basic training and then the choice of military or civilian service. I'm not one to speak of such things, however, by our US definitions, I'd be 4F due to my moderate Autism.

Norway has done away with the civilian service option, and there are no consequences to refusing to serve in the military.

[Novus America]

He did his military service. The US has ROTC and the GI Bill, plus other public service student loan forgiveness and funding programs….

Many here in the US think it is “free”. It is not. It is something you get as part of a social contract, a social contract in which YOU also have obligations.

Many of those demanding “free” stuff seem to miss that point. Many seem to want all the benefits but with none of the obligations.

Every Swedish citizen gets supported, without fear or favour. The only thing required is academic results. That's clearly not how it works in America.

If you avoid you national service you get prison. I am not 100% sure, but I imagine failing to fulfill it hurts you education prospects as well.
The difference is everyone is expected to fulfill their social obligations and may be punished for failing to do so.

Here you can get it for fulfilling similar obligations but are not required to do so.
Different in that respect absolutely. But if we made similar obligations required here then many of those demanding “feee” college would vehemently object. Which is the point.

To many want the same benefits without the obligations.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I avoided national service by being unfit for service lmao. Still got money for the period I tried chemical engineering at the oldest university in Sweden which might make you think it was the poshest...

[Novus America]

Conscription?
Funny that many who love to stan the Nordic countries the hardest seem to not want a lot of what they have.

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

Well that is the issue. You want the benefits they get in Sweden without the same social obligations.

[Shrillland]

And it doesn't technically apply anyway since he was a significant part of the powerful Kansas City machine of Tom Pendergast, at that point the third most powerful Democratic machine boss in the country behind those in New York and Chicago.

True but if his business hadn’t failed it’s quite possible he would have never run for office.

Possibly, yes. And actually, you didn't have to go back to WWII, Reagan started out poor, his childhood house up in Tampico's fairly small.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I didn’t know they had that. I don’t want that.

Well that is the issue. You want the benefits they get in Sweden without the same social obligations.

The social obligations for getting money for studying in Sweden is merely to get a passing grade and collect whatever points you need for a term. Nothing else.