American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Picairn]

Celtrianna specified, not me.

It's worth noting also that non-university degrees cost magnitudes less than four year programs, and given the broad category that is "More than high school but less than a bachelor's" can represent any number of things. An SBCA card falls into that, and is completely free of charge, IIRC.

Given that the average four year degree costs about ten times what the average two year degree costs, I wouldn't consider people engaging in associates degrees or lesser training programs to be categorically the same as people borrowing money to attend a four year degree program.

An associate degree is typically offered at post-secondary institutions including community colleges, technical colleges, liberal arts colleges, vocational schools, and some universities. So you see, it is a college degree.

At this point you're just wrangling over an associate vs bachelor's degree, both of which are higher than high school diplomas and offered in colleges.

[Forsher]

It also depends on the type of degree as well.

But I will stand by my comment that undergraduate degrees should be universal for all.

everyone shouldn’t need a 4 year degree.

That's not necessarily relevant to their comment at all.

Do you need to be able to do calculus to sweep floors? No. Do you need to be able to read to sweep floors? Also, no.

Also, in most of the world, a bog standard undergrad degree is not four years.

[Celritannia]

It also depends on the type of degree as well.

But I will stand by my comment that undergraduate degrees should be universal for all.

everyone shouldn’t need a 4 year degree.

No, they don't, but it is there if anyone wants one. It decreases the financial stress and burden of the individual.

[American Legionaries]

Celtrianna specified, not me.

It's worth noting also that non-university degrees cost magnitudes less than four year programs, and given the broad category that is "More than high school but less than a bachelor's" can represent any number of things. An SBCA card falls into that, and is completely free of charge, IIRC.

Given that the average four year degree costs about ten times what the average two year degree costs, I wouldn't consider people engaging in associates degrees or lesser training programs to be categorically the same as people borrowing money to attend a four year degree program.

An associate degree is typically offered at post-secondary institutions including community colleges, technical colleges, liberal arts colleges, vocational schools, and some universities. So you see, it is a college degree.

At this point you're just wrangling over an associate vs bachelor's degree, both of which are higher than high school diplomas and offered in colleges.

It is, but it's not a university degree, as that's the operative issue. And yes, associate's degrees, and bachelor's degrees are both higher than high school diplomas, but since the question was about finances, they're far from comparable. "Higher than High School" is a category that includes literally free of charge certifications, even certifications routinely compensated by employers. These aren't comparable to a degree which someone borrows fifty, seventy, or a hundred thousand dollars for.

[Celritannia]

An associate degree is typically offered at post-secondary institutions including community colleges, technical colleges, liberal arts colleges, vocational schools, and some universities. So you see, it is a college degree.

At this point you're just wrangling over an associate vs bachelor's degree, both of which are higher than high school diplomas and offered in colleges.

It is, but it's not a university degree, as that's the operative issue. And yes, associate's degrees, and bachelor's degrees are both higher than high school diplomas, but since the question was about finances, they're far from comparable. "Higher than High School" is a category that includes literally free of charge certifications, even certifications routinely compensated by employers. These aren't comparable to a degree which someone borrows fifty, seventy, or a hundred thousand dollars for.

And you can stop using "university degree" as a shield in your argument, as I have already mentioned I am from the UK and I was unaware of associate degrees.

So the price of the degrees should either decrease, or undergraduate degrees should be universal.

[Thermodolia]

Handful of examples from thousands of politicians.

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You really think that someone would be intentionally obtuse just to avoid admitting to be wrong on NSG?

Heres a state legislator in New Hampshire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Labranche

here's one from West Virginia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Holstein

Here is the current speaker of the Maine House of Representatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fecteau

None of these people were wealthy before running for state legislature.

So you’ve shown what? 20 politicians out of how many thousands?

[San Lumen]

Heres a state legislator in New Hampshire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Labranche

here's one from West Virginia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Holstein

Here is the current speaker of the Maine House of Representatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fecteau

None of these people were wealthy before running for state legislature.

So you’ve shown what? 20 politicians out of how many thousands?

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

[Celritannia]

So you’ve shown what? 20 politicians out of how many thousands?

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

The US is an oligarchy. You need the money to get into most political positions now.

[Genivaria]

So you’ve shown what? 20 politicians out of how many thousands?

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

You found ....3 politicians out of hundreds, and you think this shows a trend?

[Thermodolia]

So you’ve shown what? 20 politicians out of how many thousands?

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

No it doesn’t. You shown a handful. The vast majority of politicians are fucking rich.

Also Ryan Fecteau worked for a consultation firm, as an executive prior to running for office. Executives at those places pull six figures, that’s rich

[The Jamesian Republic]

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

The US is an oligarchy. You need the money to get into most political positions now.

It would be nice as an average person to run but you would have to run and win on sheer luck.

[Thermodolia]

It shows you don’t have to be rich to run for office. State legislature or municipal office is a great place to start.

You found ....3 politicians out of hundreds, and you think this shows a trend?

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

[Genivaria]

You found ....3 politicians out of hundreds, and you think this shows a trend?

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

Ah yes, mayors and councilors as well.

[San Lumen]

The US is an oligarchy. You need the money to get into most political positions now.

It would be nice as an average person to run but you would have to run and win on sheer luck.

Luck has nothing to do with it.

[Thermodolia]

It would be nice as an average person to run but you would have to run and win on sheer luck.

Luck has nothing to do with it.

Right money does

[San Lumen]

You found ....3 politicians out of hundreds, and you think this shows a trend?

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

How many examples would you like?

[Hemakral]

It would be nice as an average person to run but you would have to run and win on sheer luck.

Luck has nothing to do with it.

That's right, Lumen! money is the big decider!

Glad you've seen sense.

[Genivaria]

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

How many examples would you like?

Individual examples are not a pattern Lumen, show us data.

[Hemakral]

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

How many examples would you like?

if you can prove that 50% of elected officials don't have incomes over six digits, then I'll buy it

[San Lumen]

Luck has nothing to do with it.

That's right, Lumen! money is the big decider!

Glad you've seen sense.

Money isn’t always the decider either.

[Cannot think of a name]

No, I simply dismissed it as irrelevant, things which aren't university degrees are not university degrees.

An associate's degree is still a college's degree unless you are intentionally obtuse.

Column B. It's his whole shtick.

[Thermodolia]

There’s over a 10,000 elected positions in the US. He’s shown maybe 20 examples. That’s .2%

How many examples would you like?

Until you find say 25% then we might start considering it might be a trend. Either way the majority is still rich.

[San Lumen]

How many examples would you like?

Until you find say 25% then we might start considering it might be a trend. Either way the majority is still rich.

Here’s another example. The mayor of Montana’s capital; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmot_Collins

[Thermodolia]

That's right, Lumen! money is the big decider!

Glad you've seen sense.

Money isn’t always the decider either.

In 99% of cases it is. AOC type cases are extremely extremely rare

[Hemakral]

Here’s another example. The mayor of Montana’s capital; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmot_Collins

Individual examples are not a pattern Lumen, show us data.

In summary: Graphs or it's BS!