American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Corrian]

Tennessee bill would designate some gun owners as law enforcement

[Grinning Dragon]

Tennessee bill would designate some gun owners as law enforcement

Lots of states/cities have these types of laws on the books going way back. Not really seeing an issue here.

[Big Jim P]

Tennessee bill would designate some gun owners as law enforcement

" it could turn the streets into the “old West.”"

They keep saying this. It keeps never happening.

[Corrian]

In this case, even the police union is against that idea. Police usually seem pretty open to gun laws.

[Kowani]

In this case, even the police union is against that idea. Police usually seem pretty open to gun laws.

What the police are doing here is unconnected to being pro or anti gun as a matter of ideology
It’s protecting their own turf and power as agents licensed to utilize violence
Part of that power comes from its exclusivity
Classic rentier behaviour

[Corrian]

In this case, even the police union is against that idea. Police usually seem pretty open to gun laws.

What the police are doing here is unconnected to being pro or anti gun as a matter of ideology
It’s protecting their own turf and power as agents licensed to utilize violence
Part of that power comes from its exclusivity
Classic rentier behaviour

Yeah, that's fair, I thought of that too. Seems kinda iffy to make random citizens law enforcement too though.

[Ifreann]

Tennessee bill would designate some gun owners as law enforcement

Lots of states/cities have these types of laws on the books going way back. Not really seeing an issue here.

Seems pretty obviously stupid to designate people as law enforcement who are not law enforcement.

[Grinning Dragon]

What the police are doing here is unconnected to being pro or anti gun as a matter of ideology
It’s protecting their own turf and power as agents licensed to utilize violence
Part of that power comes from its exclusivity
Classic rentier behaviour

Yeah, that's fair, I thought of that too. Seems kinda iffy to make random citizens law enforcement too though.

Well considering, the average firearm owner(s) have a higher proficiency in accuracy over the average police officer(s), less likely to be trigger happy and most of all, less likely to shoot your dog.

Seems pretty obviously stupid to designate people as law enforcement who are not law enforcement.

Just like being a pope pretty much anyone can do it, it really isn't that all of a specialized skill to become a police officer.

[Corrian]

Just like being a pope pretty much anyone can do it, it really isn't that all of a specialized skill to become a police officer.

...Shouldn't it be?

[Ifreann]

Seems pretty obviously stupid to designate people as law enforcement who are not law enforcement.

Just like being a pope pretty much anyone can do it, it really isn't that all of a specialized skill to become a police officer.

I'm sure it isn't, but that's beside the point. The fact that anyone could be a police officer doesn't make it any less silly to designate people as police officers who are not police officers. Will people as be designated as paramedics or firefighters as well? Maybe people who can swim will be designated part of the Coast Guard.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just like being a pope pretty much anyone can do it, it really isn't that all of a specialized skill to become a police officer.

...Shouldn't it be?

It's pretty much studies in justice/law type curriculum. Most of the beat for an officer is determining whether an infraction has occurred, looking up the statute that would best fit said infraction. As to firearm proficiency, most depts. only require an annual qualification and centers somewhere around 70%, as to fitness, well you can see daily that isn't a thing.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Tennessee bill would designate some gun owners as law enforcement

" it could turn the streets into the “old West.”"

They keep saying this. It keeps never happening.

Let me join you my Friend, lol.
The Old West:
https://www.wsjm.com/2022/02/17/tenness ... forcement/

[Corrian]

The Ohio Supreme Court has given Republicans on the Ohio Redistricting Commission until noon on Wednesday to show why they shouldn’t be held in contempt of court for disregarding the Court‘s order to have new House and Senate maps by midnight last night

Holy fuck the Ohio Supreme Court is not fucking around.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just like being a pope pretty much anyone can do it, it really isn't that all of a specialized skill to become a police officer.

I'm sure it isn't, but that's beside the point. The fact that anyone could be a police officer doesn't make it any less silly to designate people as police officers who are not police officers. Will people as be designated as paramedics or firefighters as well? Maybe people who can swim will be designated part of the Coast Guard.

It all goes back to deputizing citizens to buttress their police force, even so if a town has a small police force, after all the citizen militia is still a thing.
People can be designated for simple triage tasks in the case of large medical catastrophe. Fire chief can designate people to help cordon off an area or help with hoses, etc.
However being a paramedic and a firefighter does carry a specialized training more so than being a police officer.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I'm sure it isn't, but that's beside the point. The fact that anyone could be a police officer doesn't make it any less silly to designate people as police officers who are not police officers. Will people as be designated as paramedics or firefighters as well? Maybe people who can swim will be designated part of the Coast Guard.

It all goes back to deputizing citizens to buttress their police force, even so if a town has a small police force, after all the citizen militia is still a thing.
People can be designated for simple triage tasks in the case of large medical catastrophe. Fire chief can designate people to help cordon off an area or help with hoses, etc.
However being a paramedic and a firefighter does carry a specialized training more so than being a police officer.

There should be qualifications for police officers we don’t need to resort to vigilante justice.

[San Lumen]

The Ohio Supreme Court has given Republicans on the Ohio Redistricting Commission until noon on Wednesday to show why they shouldn’t be held in contempt of court for disregarding the Court‘s order to have new House and Senate maps by midnight last night

Holy fuck the Ohio Supreme Court is not fucking around.

They sure aren’t. Good for them.

I shared this earlier. I really hope it ends being a court drawn map. Democrats could easily gain multiple seats in congress and the state legislature

[Ifreann]

I'm sure it isn't, but that's beside the point. The fact that anyone could be a police officer doesn't make it any less silly to designate people as police officers who are not police officers. Will people as be designated as paramedics or firefighters as well? Maybe people who can swim will be designated part of the Coast Guard.

It all goes back to deputizing citizens to buttress their police force, even so if a town has a small police force, after all the citizen militia is still a thing.
People can be designated for simple triage tasks in the case of large medical catastrophe. Fire chief can designate people to help cordon off an area or help with hoses, etc.
However being a paramedic and a firefighter does carry a specialized training more so than being a police officer.

This proposed law isn't deputising people, it's designating them as law enforcement for the purposes of allowing them to go armed. They aren't being required to assist the police, just being allowed to carry a gun.

[Grinning Dragon]

It all goes back to deputizing citizens to buttress their police force, even so if a town has a small police force, after all the citizen militia is still a thing.
People can be designated for simple triage tasks in the case of large medical catastrophe. Fire chief can designate people to help cordon off an area or help with hoses, etc.
However being a paramedic and a firefighter does carry a specialized training more so than being a police officer.

There should be qualifications for police officers we don’t need to resort to vigilante justice.

Seems to me we have that now with certain police officers as seen in the police thread.
However deputizing citizens isn't resorting to vigilante justice.

This proposed law isn't deputizing people, it's designating them as law enforcement for the purposes of allowing them to go armed. They aren't being required to assist the police, just being allowed to carry a gun.

Guess I missed that part, however this just seems more and more like constitutional carry type thing and how is that any different than carry laws are right now along with citizen arrest type statutes?

[Hemakral]

There should be qualifications for police officers we don’t need to resort to vigilante justice.

This would negatively affect my Batmanitization, so I must oppose it on principle.

[The Jamesian Republic]

There should be qualifications for police officers we don’t need to resort to vigilante justice.

This would negatively affect my Batmanitization, so I must oppose it on principle.

Your what?

There should be qualifications for police officers we don’t need to resort to vigilante justice.

[quote=Grinning Dragon]Seems to me we have than now with certain police officers as seen in the police thread.
However deputizing citizens isn't resorting to vigilante justice.

That’s true.

[Ifreann]

This proposed law isn't deputizing people, it's designating them as law enforcement for the purposes of allowing them to go armed. They aren't being required to assist the police, just being allowed to carry a gun.

Guess I missed that part, however this just seems more and more like constitutional carry type thing and how is that any different than carry laws are right now along with citizen arrest type statutes?

In that it's obviously silly to designate people as law enforcement who are not. If they want to change the laws around when people with these enhanced licenses are allowed to go armed then they should just do that. Doing it like this seems like a weird effort to puff up the egos of people with these licenses.

[Hemakral]

This would negatively affect my Batmanitization, so I must oppose it on principle.

Your what?

Y'know, Batmanitization. The process of becoming Batman.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Your what?

Y'know, Batmanitization. The process of becoming Batman.

Let me guess as a kid you encountered a bat and that traumatized you but then your parents died in a mugging and ever since then you have been training while building a business empire. Got it.

[Hemakral]

Y'know, Batmanitization. The process of becoming Batman.

Let me guess as a kid you encountered a bat and that traumatized you but then your parents died in a mugging and ever since then you have been training while building a business empire. Got it.

Not quite, but I'm getting there- I've already bought the movie tickets and picked a nice alleyway.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Let me guess as a kid you encountered a bat and that traumatized you but then your parents died in a mugging and ever since then you have been training while building a business empire. Got it.

Not quite, but I'm getting there- I've already bought the movie tickets and picked a nice alleyway.

Hiss.