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Biden's Response to Russia: Agree or Disagree? (Feel free to provide reasoning in the thread)

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Slightly Agree
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Fully Disagree
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:59 pm

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The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.

Very reasonable punishment :roll:

Would you rather Trump be free?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:01 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Very reasonable punishment :roll:

Would you rather Trump be free?


If was either that or the United States military rains down upon Mar a Lago while Battle Hymn of The Republic blasts and they drag Trump out of there.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:02 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Would you rather Trump be free?


If was either that or the United States military rains down upon Mar a Lago while Battle Hymn of The Republic blasts and they drag Trump out of there.

Can we go with the last option because I have my popcorn ready
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:03 pm

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If was either that or the United States military rains down upon Mar a Lago while Battle Hymn of The Republic blasts and they drag Trump out of there.

Can we go with the last option because I have my popcorn ready


Sure. Though that could resort in mass and violent protests.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:04 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Can we go with the last option because I have my popcorn ready


Sure. Though that could resort in mass and violent protests.


Ideally, yes.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:05 pm

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Sure. Though that could resort in mass and violent protests.


Ideally, yes.


No.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:06 pm

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Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


Oh thanks for the Warren clarification!

I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


Probably best to take a “Show Me” stance. Will Trump go to prison? I don’t know. If I had done things he is alleged to have done? I would have been punished.

Are the demos going to see this through? Maybe not. They will probably make a deal. Don’t run and you won’t go to prison. Some hand slap and bad man comments…probably a fine.

Trump should go to prison. He is corrupt. Always has been. Will he go? Probably not.

If he does, there will be hope for the system.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


Probably best to take a “Show Me” stance. Will Trump go to prison? I don’t know. If I had done things he is alleged to have done? I would have been punished.

Are the demos going to see this through? Maybe not. They will probably make a deal. Don’t run and you won’t go to prison. Some hand slap and bad man comments…probably a fine.

Trump should go to prison. He is corrupt. Always has been. Will he go? Probably not.

If he does, there will be hope for the system.


Yes cram him his family with the Clintons and Bidens too in the same cell.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:10 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Probably best to take a “Show Me” stance. Will Trump go to prison? I don’t know. If I had done things he is alleged to have done? I would have been punished.

Are the demos going to see this through? Maybe not. They will probably make a deal. Don’t run and you won’t go to prison. Some hand slap and bad man comments…probably a fine.

Trump should go to prison. He is corrupt. Always has been. Will he go? Probably not.

If he does, there will be hope for the system.


Yes cram him his family with the Clintons and Bidens too in the same cell.


Hmmm. I would say we should focus one on and crack the President is untouchable bullshit.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:13 pm

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Yes cram him his family with the Clintons and Bidens too in the same cell.


Hmmm. I would say we should focus one on and crack the President is untouchable bullshit.


Okay. Though it would be interesting to see them go insane being in the same room with each other.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:19 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
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Probably best to take a “Show Me” stance. Will Trump go to prison? I don’t know. If I had done things he is alleged to have done? I would have been punished.

Are the demos going to see this through? Maybe not. They will probably make a deal. Don’t run and you won’t go to prison. Some hand slap and bad man comments…probably a fine.

Trump should go to prison. He is corrupt. Always has been. Will he go? Probably not.

If he does, there will be hope for the system.


Yes cram him his family with the Clintons and Bidens too in the same cell.


Why the Bidens?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:21 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
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Hmmm. I would say we should focus one on and crack the President is untouchable bullshit.


Okay. Though it would be interesting to see them go insane being in the same room with each other.


That wouldn't happen. Trump's lumbering posture that's designed to intimidate people is pure façade. Locked in a small space with people who weren't in the mood to take his shit he would crumple like one of his cheap ill-fitting suits.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:22 pm

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Yes cram him his family with the Clintons and Bidens too in the same cell.


Why the Bidens?


The same reason as the Clintons - a pretense at equivalence.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


Probably best to take a “Show Me” stance. Will Trump go to prison? I don’t know. If I had done things he is alleged to have done? I would have been punished.

Are the demos going to see this through? Maybe not. They will probably make a deal. Don’t run and you won’t go to prison. Some hand slap and bad man comments…probably a fine.

Trump should go to prison. He is corrupt. Always has been. Will he go? Probably not.

If he does, there will be hope for the system.

Political remedy is a non-starter. They're all rightfully afraid that once that seal is broken it'll just be a never end of circle jerk attempts to jail the other or whatever.

The Justice Department, on the other hand...despite Trump treating them like his personal lawyers and they're appointed are independent (don't @me with (generic)your passive cynicism, even under trump and his constant firing and replacing they fought to maintain at least a semblance of independence and in this case it's not like someone's threatening to can them unless they find a way to get Trump in jail, he's in this situation because he put himself there) and they are explicitly the force of law.

But dude has been shady as fuck for decades and fuckall has happened to him. Now he's a former president with a rabid fanbase who think not being able to victimize people makes them the victim. Symbolic really is the harshest realistic expectation.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:26 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:The posts and credible links I posted are Facts. Even a video of leftist Fareed Zakaria Praising President Trump and admitting that he was tough on Russia and China and armed Ukraine and the Poles. Anti Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us. Democrat Biden is being chanted down across the nation of the USA by young college students and other persons. I can go on, on and on with more Facts on this post. But I will leave it here for now.


Actually many of your sources have failed things like not retracting false stories; conspiracies, and general loose measures for facts on stories in general. Loaded words of course.

I watched that video of Fareed and it’s edited. How I do not know as I have not found the original yet. Not looking that hard either.

He has not been that hard on China or even Russia. You keep mentioning the weapons sales. You leave all the restrictions like oh you can’t use them on Russians in the Crimea.

Your partisan views are rather telling. “Anti-Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us.” Do you understand this eliminates your claim of being fair and balanced? The fact you dismiss EVERYTHING that doesn’t sing the praise of trump? You wonder why people dismiss your comments most of the time. Your comment explains part of your problem.

You using words wrong again. Where you write facts, you should have used opinions.

I knew you were going to dismiss my sources, a lucky guess I expected. Do I have pro Trump views? Yes I do. Do you have anti Trump views? Yes you do, So we are both partisans and we are both even. In Politics everything works both ways, not just one way, both ways. This rule applies to me, you and all persons on and off NS. I am always fair and balanced to both sides and all sides. I Rest My Case Again.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:29 pm

As for why the Bidens and Clintons simple I want Trump stuck in the same room with them for long periods of time.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:52 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
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Actually many of your sources have failed things like not retracting false stories; conspiracies, and general loose measures for facts on stories in general. Loaded words of course.

I watched that video of Fareed and it’s edited. How I do not know as I have not found the original yet. Not looking that hard either.

He has not been that hard on China or even Russia. You keep mentioning the weapons sales. You leave all the restrictions like oh you can’t use them on Russians in the Crimea.

Your partisan views are rather telling. “Anti-Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us.” Do you understand this eliminates your claim of being fair and balanced? The fact you dismiss EVERYTHING that doesn’t sing the praise of trump? You wonder why people dismiss your comments most of the time. Your comment explains part of your problem.

You using words wrong again. Where you write facts, you should have used opinions.

Do I have pro Trump views? Yes I do. Do you have anti Trump views? Yes you do, So we are both partisans and we are both even. In Politics everything works both ways, not just one way, both ways. This rule applies to me, you and all persons on and off NS. I am always fair and balanced to both sides and all sides. I Rest My Case Again.


You keep settling your case when you haven’t even made one.

You are not simply pro-trump. A person can prefer a specific politician and yet view actions or comments as wrong. You are more the rabid trump supporter. Nothing he says or does is wrong. He is always innocent.

Yes I am anti-trump. He has always been shady as fuck. Friends and family live in New York. He has done many things. Though being the rabid follower; you are incapable of evaluating.

The fact his long term accounting firm ran away? Not a good sign. Inflating value of land for loans and deflating the value for taxes? Not the smartest of moves. One of the few things you can’t escape the government. Also? Classic money laundering scheme.

You claim politics works both ways and yet you expect it to be one way.

Still trying to claim to be fair and balanced?

“Anti-Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us.”

You are not.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:54 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:As for why the Bidens and Clintons simple I want Trump stuck in the same room with them for long periods of time.


There are laws against Cruel and Unusual punishment.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Do I have pro Trump views? Yes I do. Do you have anti Trump views? Yes you do, So we are both partisans and we are both even. In Politics everything works both ways, not just one way, both ways. This rule applies to me, you and all persons on and off NS. I am always fair and balanced to both sides and all sides. I Rest My Case Again.


You keep settling your case when you haven’t even made one.

Whole lotta posts from someone who keeps saying his case is settled.

Just another term he doesn't understand but stubbornly uses because you're not the boss of him.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:57 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You keep settling your case when you haven’t even made one.

Whole lotta posts from someone who keeps saying his case is settled.

Just another term he doesn't understand but stubbornly uses because you're not the boss of him.


I must have some mental issue to respond to him.

It’s a mark I need to return to working again.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:58 pm

Iain Donkey Sith wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Donald Trump probably telephoned his very stronk friend Putin about the exact wheres, whens and hows about that silly little missile raid Trump did in Syria.


We should be asking ourselves whether Trump ate documents to avoid reading them.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:00 pm

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/02/ ... imary.html

Ohio Republican Party endorses Gov. Mike DeWine in GOP primary. DeWine faces three challengers in the May 3rd primary. Former Congressman Jim Renacci, farmer Joe Blystone and former state Representative Ron Hood.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Whole lotta posts from someone who keeps saying his case is settled.

Just another term he doesn't understand but stubbornly uses because you're not the boss of him.


I must have some mental issue to respond to him.

It’s a mark I need to return to working again.

You know I'm avoiding work if I'm commenting on people replying to him. I mean, the deadline is only what...two hours away...ugh.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:02 pm

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... n-avocados

US clears way for return of Mexican avocados

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:As for why the Bidens and Clintons simple I want Trump stuck in the same room with them for long periods of time.


There are laws against Cruel and Unusual punishment.


It’s not cruel they are all shady as heck
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