American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Thermodolia]

I literally just explained why.


Then all fraud crimes are against the first amendment


How the fuck do you get to dictatorship and coup from wanting to throw Congress in jail for fraudulent gaining voted because of things they said?

No they aren’t. Mail fraud or money fraud causes harm. Saying something you cannot absolutely promise will happen while running for office isn’t a crime. It’s called freedom of speech.

How is gaining power fraudulently via lying not causing harm? If an anti-gay or anti-Jewish candidate lies about being those things and then gets into political office and start enacting anti-gay and anti-Jewish things how is that not causing harm?

[San Lumen]

No they aren’t. Mail fraud or money fraud causes harm. Saying something you cannot absolutely promise will happen while running for office isn’t a crime. It’s called freedom of speech.

How is gaining power fraudulently via lying not causing harm? If an anti-gay or anti-Jewish candidate lies about being those things and then gets into political office and start enacting anti-gay and anti-Jewish things how is that not causing harm?

You might as well ban campaign speeches and advertising with this stance of yours. Your effectively saying candidates for elected office don’t have the right of free speech.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Yes. A terrible choice.
Which is why we must overthrow it and replace it with true democracy. Not this faux democracy the armchair revolutionaries here are drooling over.

Go start your revolution.

A faux democracy is Turkmenistan.

Well if you can somehow convince the people of America to partake in a (hopefully successful) May 68 style movement to force the government to dissolve and reform itself to be more democratic and better serve the American people then sure.

[Thermodolia]

Not my problem you hold up Fukuyama's 1992 writings as literal gospel.

I have no idea what that is.

You haven’t a clue what dictatorship entails. A dictatorship is what Romania was under Ceaușescu where you had a secret police of which the members could have been people in your family and you had no idea.

Or Turkmenistan where there is no genuine choice in an election as the opposition parties are approved by the government to give the appearance of free and fair elections.

Dictatorships are also Yugoslavia under Tito where the people had quite a lot of freedom and could come and go as they pleased.

The term benevolent dictatorship is a real thing although slightly rare. In those cases most of the life goes on but attempt to protest the government policies or run against it and you are removed. Which really isn’t that much different than our current situation where you can go to jail for advocating the overthrow of the government

[The Jamesian Republic]

I have no idea what that is.

You haven’t a clue what dictatorship entails. A dictatorship is what Romania was under Ceaușescu where you had a secret police of which the members could have been people in your family and you had no idea.

Or Turkmenistan where there is no genuine choice in an election as the opposition parties are approved by the government to give the appearance of free and fair elections.

Dictatorships are also Yugoslavia under Tito where the people had quite a lot of freedom and could come and go as they pleased.

The term benevolent dictatorship is a real thing although slightly rare. In those cases most of the life goes on but attempt to protest the government policies or run against it and you are removed. Which really isn’t that much different than our current situation where you can go to jail for advocating the overthrow of the government

Dictatorships are evil even if they are “benevolent” and must be removed. It is time to put America on the full democracy sector of the democracy index.

[Alcala-Cordel]

How is gaining power fraudulently via lying not causing harm? If an anti-gay or anti-Jewish candidate lies about being those things and then gets into political office and start enacting anti-gay and anti-Jewish things how is that not causing harm?

You might as well ban campaign speeches and advertising with this stance of yours. Your effectively saying candidates for elected office don’t have the right of free speech.

They should absolutely be held accountable for their lies. Jt's also fundamentally undemocratic that all powerful politicians have corporate support and obey lobbyists. Deny it all you want, the US is not a democracy.

[Thermodolia]

How is gaining power fraudulently via lying not causing harm? If an anti-gay or anti-Jewish candidate lies about being those things and then gets into political office and start enacting anti-gay and anti-Jewish things how is that not causing harm?

You might as well ban campaign speeches and advertising with this stance of yours. Your effectively saying candidates for elected office don’t have the right of free speech.

You do realize you can have free speech and not lie right? Also if you never gain political office you won’t be charged or bothered with.

So people like Vermin Supreme will still be legally allowed to do his thing as he won’t be ever elected to office and also because he states it’s satire.

If you can’t campaign without lying then the problem is you, not me

[San Lumen]

I have no idea what that is.

You haven’t a clue what dictatorship entails. A dictatorship is what Romania was under Ceaușescu where you had a secret police of which the members could have been people in your family and you had no idea.

Or Turkmenistan where there is no genuine choice in an election as the opposition parties are approved by the government to give the appearance of free and fair elections.

Dictatorships are also Yugoslavia under Tito where the people had quite a lot of freedom and could come and go as they pleased.

The term benevolent dictatorship is a real thing although slightly rare. In those cases most of the life goes on but attempt to protest the government policies or run against it and you are removed. Which really isn’t that much different than our current situation where you can go to jail for advocating the overthrow of the government

So no free speech or genuine choice in a election like what happens in Turkmenistan or Russia.

[American Legionaries]

Dictatorships are also Yugoslavia under Tito where the people had quite a lot of freedom and could come and go as they pleased.

The term benevolent dictatorship is a real thing although slightly rare. In those cases most of the life goes on but attempt to protest the government policies or run against it and you are removed. Which really isn’t that much different than our current situation where you can go to jail for advocating the overthrow of the government

Dictatorships are evil even if they are “benevolent” and must be removed. It is time to put America on the full democracy sector of the democracy index.

Why are dictatorships evil?

[San Lumen]

You might as well ban campaign speeches and advertising with this stance of yours. Your effectively saying candidates for elected office don’t have the right of free speech.

You do realize you can have free speech and not lie right? Also if you never gain political office you won’t be charged or bothered with.

So people like Vermin Supreme will still be legally allowed to do his thing as he won’t be ever elected to office and also because he states it’s satire.

If you can’t campaign without lying then the problem is you, not me

In other words if you have bold ideas while running for office don’t bother because you’ll be charged with fraud if you win and can’t implement them because you don’t have the support of the legislature or a majority of your fellow legislators.

[Thermodolia]

Dictatorships are also Yugoslavia under Tito where the people had quite a lot of freedom and could come and go as they pleased.

The term benevolent dictatorship is a real thing although slightly rare. In those cases most of the life goes on but attempt to protest the government policies or run against it and you are removed. Which really isn’t that much different than our current situation where you can go to jail for advocating the overthrow of the government

So no free speech or genuine choice in a election like what happens in Turkmenistan or Russia.

No you still had freedom of speech, you just couldn’t change the government. For the vast majority of people that’s a fair trade because they don’t have to worry about medical bills while still enjoying football games

[The Jamesian Republic]

Dictatorships are evil even if they are “benevolent” and must be removed. It is time to put America on the full democracy sector of the democracy index.

Why are dictatorships evil?

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why are dictatorships evil?

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

I have some very bad news for you about a couple of these points lol

[Thermodolia]

You do realize you can have free speech and not lie right? Also if you never gain political office you won’t be charged or bothered with.

So people like Vermin Supreme will still be legally allowed to do his thing as he won’t be ever elected to office and also because he states it’s satire.

If you can’t campaign without lying then the problem is you, not me

In other words if you have bold ideas while running for office don’t bother because you’ll be charged with fraud if you win and can’t implement them because you don’t have the support of the legislature or a majority of your fellow legislators.

No because you didn’t lie. If you admit that you tried but failed that’s different than straight up lying and never intending to.

[The Jamesian Republic]

So no free speech or genuine choice in a election like what happens in Turkmenistan or Russia.

No you still had freedom of speech, you just couldn’t change the government. For the vast majority of people that’s a fair trade because they don’t have to worry about medical bills while still enjoying football games

>Can’t control the government
>Don’t have medical bills and can enjoy sporting events

Thinking.

[Thermodolia]

Why are dictatorships evil?

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

So every nation ever?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

I have some very bad news for you about a couple of these points lol

I know it’s in this country and must be removed.

[Thermodolia]

No you still had freedom of speech, you just couldn’t change the government. For the vast majority of people that’s a fair trade because they don’t have to worry about medical bills while still enjoying football games

>Can’t control the government
>Don’t have medical bills and can enjoy sporting events

Thinking.

Hey to most people not dying matters more than whoever is in office

[San Lumen]

In other words if you have bold ideas while running for office don’t bother because you’ll be charged with fraud if you win and can’t implement them because you don’t have the support of the legislature or a majority of your fellow legislators.

No because you didn’t lie. If you admit that you tried but failed that’s different than straight up lying and never intending to.

How would you prove this?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

So every nation ever?

Yes. It is time for the people of the world to unite and cast of the chains of tyranny and engage in a global revolution against the current ways of governments. The democratic international shall be the human race.

[San Lumen]

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So every nation ever?

Yes. It is time for the people of the world to unite and cast of the chains of tyranny and engage in a global revolution against the current ways of governments. The democratic international shall be the human race.

Go start your revolution.

[Thermodolia]

No because you didn’t lie. If you admit that you tried but failed that’s different than straight up lying and never intending to.

How would you prove this?

Just like you prove regular fraud? With texts, calls, ya know proof that fraud has taken place

[The Jamesian Republic]

>Can’t control the government
>Don’t have medical bills and can enjoy sporting events

Thinking.

Hey to most people not dying matters more than whoever is in office

Well to me those are important things. If I’m living in a country where I can’t disagree with the government and I’m being spied on by the secret police I don’t want to live in that country.

[American Legionaries]

Why are dictatorships evil?

Because they suppress civil rights.
Because if you disagree with dear leader you will possibly be arrested and sent to a gulag
Because they will spy on you
Because they will build walls and prevent you from leaving the country

None of these things are traits inherent or unique to dictatorships...

[Thermodolia]

Hey to most people not dying matters more than whoever is in office

Well to me those are important things. If I’m living in a country where I can’t disagree with the government and I’m being spied on by the secret police I don’t want to live in that country.

Ok so you aren’t most people, doesn’t really matter