American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Farnhamia]

Los estadounidenses ya deberian terminar el bloqueo de cuba.

Please post in English. We have a Spanish thread but this is not it.

[San Lumen]

Never said that. What good does it do you saying buzzwords and things that sound good to your base and you lose the election?

So the Fulton County Da should not even bother investigating the phone call? The AG of New York should drop her case?

The Fulton County DA has bigger fish to fry than Trump. Especially given the fact she’s currently fighting the state of Georgia over the possibility of them taking over the Fulton County board of elections and the crime wave that’s hit Atlanta.

She’s not going to charge Trump before she gets voted out of office.

The NY case isn’t going to go anywhere either.

The cases will continue to be investigated because it’s good for votes but they will never see the inside of a court room

You can't charge someone with a crime for saying something false or they had no intention of doing during a campaign. There is something called freedom of speech.

Fraud isn’t free speech my dude. If you lie about your military service to gain benefits then you have committed fraud. How is that not any different than lying about what you are going to do in order to gain votes and get into office? That’s also fraud.

Face it you just don’t want to go to jail for committing fraud one day.

So its all for show then? Why even bother?

Lying about military service is different from making claims about what you'll do and then don't deliver once elected? if we are going to make the latter a crime we might as well as well charge half of Congress with a crime and start severely limiting free speech.

[Thermodolia]

The Fulton County DA has bigger fish to fry than Trump. Especially given the fact she’s currently fighting the state of Georgia over the possibility of them taking over the Fulton County board of elections and the crime wave that’s hit Atlanta.

She’s not going to charge Trump before she gets voted out of office.

The NY case isn’t going to go anywhere either.

The cases will continue to be investigated because it’s good for votes but they will never see the inside of a court room


Fraud isn’t free speech my dude. If you lie about your military service to gain benefits then you have committed fraud. How is that not any different than lying about what you are going to do in order to gain votes and get into office? That’s also fraud.

Face it you just don’t want to go to jail for committing fraud one day.

So its all for show then? Why even bother?

Gotta get votes and make it seem like you are doing something. You claim you are investigating and then you just relegate it to a part of the office where it gets looked at once a quarter.

It’s the same tactic that’s used when investigating police brutality or war crimes or anything else the government wants to appear to be doing something but not actually do anything.

Lying about military service is different from making claims about what you'll do and then don't deliver once elected

No it’s not because they are both fraud. The fraud isn’t the lie itself but the benefit gained from it. It’s perfectly legal to lie about your military service as long as you don’t gain anything from it, once you gain something from it it’s fraud and illegal. The same with election promises. If you lie and never get into office then it’s not illegal but the minute you do get into office then it becomes illegal.

if we are going to make the latter a crime we might as well as well charge half of Congress with a crime and start severely limiting free speech.

Sounds good to me, though you wouldn’t need to limit free speech at all because fraud isn’t free speech. But let’s still arrest half of Congress or all of it actually

[San Lumen]

So its all for show then? Why even bother?

Gotta get votes and make it seem like you are doing something. You claim you are investigating and then you just relegate it to a part of the office where it gets looked at once a quarter.

It’s the same tactic that’s used when investigating police brutality or war crimes or anything else the government wants to appear to be doing something but not actually do anything.

Lying about military service is different from making claims about what you'll do and then don't deliver once elected

No it’s not because they are both fraud. The fraud isn’t the lie itself but the benefit gained from it. It’s perfectly legal to lie about your military service as long as you don’t gain anything from it, once you gain something from it it’s fraud and illegal. The same with election promises. If you lie and never get into office then it’s not illegal but the minute you do get into office then it becomes illegal.

if we are going to make the latter a crime we might as well as well charge half of Congress with a crime and start severely limiting free speech.

Sounds good to me, though you wouldn’t need to limit free speech at all because fraud isn’t free speech. But let’s still arrest half of Congress or all of it actually

If the case won't go anywhere don't even bother.

Last I checked promising something while running and then not delivering isn't a crime. Why don't we pass a law saying you cannot say anything on the campaign trail unless you can guarantee or show proof it will happen? Oh wait that would violate the first amendment.

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Well Ukraine could be because Putin had a wave of nostalgia and combined with the fact he is a genocidal maniac.

It wouldn't be our matter if the West didn't do this whole "trade will democratise shitholes" policy since the 80's. Now we're married to the hip to resources and money under the command of psychopath leaders who hate us all. Good job neoliberalism.

Yes I know *sigh*

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

[The Jamesian Republic]

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

Not really. Changing the ideology of the dictatorship doesn’t mean it’s better.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

Not really. Changing the ideology of the dictatorship doesn’t mean it’s better.

If the common man gets free healthcare at the point of use and bread and circuses that's all their needs satisfied really. They're getting none of those things right now.

[San Lumen]

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

There you go again with that term neoliberal. A code word for anyone I dont like.

And Therm has anyone who doesn't agree with him blackmailed or jailed and arrests judges who say you can' t do that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

There you go again with that term neoliberal. A code word for anyone I dont like.

Not my problem you hold up Fukuyama's 1992 writings as literal gospel.

[Free Algerstonia]

To the common man a dictatorship under Therm will actually be an improvement over the current neoliberal dictatorship.

Not really. Changing the ideology of the dictatorship doesn’t mean it’s better.

I prefer a dictatorship that benefits me over a democracy that doesn't. If there is a charismatic leader that rises to power through a grassroots movement that promises radical change to fix our problems with minimal assistance from elite figures, I'm supporting that leader.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Not really. Changing the ideology of the dictatorship doesn’t mean it’s better.

If the common man gets free healthcare at the point of use and bread and circuses that's all their needs satisfied really. They're getting none of those things right now.

Free Healthcare under a dictatorship is just opium for the masses. You have nothing if you don’t have civil and political rights.

[Free Algerstonia]

Not really. Changing the ideology of the dictatorship doesn’t mean it’s better.

If the common man gets free healthcare at the point of use and bread and circuses that's all their needs satisfied really. They're getting none of those things right now.

How do you propose a universal healthcare system while ensuring that the supply will be able to afford all the new medical patients? You have to consider that the medical system will not be prepared for the influx of patients that universal healthcare will bring.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If the common man gets free healthcare at the point of use and bread and circuses that's all their needs satisfied really. They're getting none of those things right now.

Free Healthcare under a dictatorship is just opium for the masses. You have nothing if you don’t have civil and political rights.

If that was true the PRC would've been overthrown in a revolution three decades ago. Evidently they haven't been overthrown.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Free Healthcare under a dictatorship is just opium for the masses. You have nothing if you don’t have civil and political rights.

If that was true the PRC would've been overthrown in a revolution three decades ago. Evidently they haven't been overthrown.

That’s because they have been forced to be subservient to the government.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If that was true the PRC would've been overthrown in a revolution three decades ago. Evidently they haven't been overthrown.

That’s because they have been forced to be subservient to the government.

You'd think so but you ignore the fact that panem et circenses is still great for keeping the status quo going.

[Thermodolia]

Gotta get votes and make it seem like you are doing something. You claim you are investigating and then you just relegate it to a part of the office where it gets looked at once a quarter.

It’s the same tactic that’s used when investigating police brutality or war crimes or anything else the government wants to appear to be doing something but not actually do anything.


No it’s not because they are both fraud. The fraud isn’t the lie itself but the benefit gained from it. It’s perfectly legal to lie about your military service as long as you don’t gain anything from it, once you gain something from it it’s fraud and illegal. The same with election promises. If you lie and never get into office then it’s not illegal but the minute you do get into office then it becomes illegal.


Sounds good to me, though you wouldn’t need to limit free speech at all because fraud isn’t free speech. But let’s still arrest half of Congress or all of it actually

If the case won't go anywhere don't even bother.

I literally just explained why.

Last I checked promising something while running and then not delivering isn't a crime. Why don't we pass a law saying you cannot say anything on the campaign trail unless you can guarantee or show proof it will happen? Oh wait that would violate the first amendment.

Then all fraud crimes are against the first amendment

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

How the fuck do you get to dictatorship and coup from wanting to throw Congress in jail for fraudulent gaining voted because of things they said?

[The Jamesian Republic]

That’s because they have been forced to be subservient to the government.

You'd think so but you ignore the fact that panem et circenses is still great for keeping the status quo going.

Panem et Circuses must be destroyed, it is time remove the CPC and neoliberalism.

Overthrowing democracy in the name of socialism and jailing/torturing/killing dissidents by secret police but armchair revolutionaries think you are okay because people get free healthcare in your dictatorship is not the type of reality I wish to live in.

[San Lumen]

There you go again with that term neoliberal. A code word for anyone I dont like.

Not my problem you hold up Fukuyama's 1992 writings as literal gospel.

I have no idea what that is.

You haven’t a clue what dictatorship entails. A dictatorship is what Romania was under Ceaușescu where you had a secret police of which the members could have been people in your family and you had no idea.

Or Turkmenistan where there is no genuine choice in an election as the opposition parties are approved by the government to give the appearance of free and fair elections.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You'd think so but you ignore the fact that panem et circenses is still great for keeping the status quo going.

Panem et Circuses must be destroyed, it is time remove the CPC and neoliberalism.

Overthrowing democracy in the name of socialism and jailing/torturing/killing dissidents by secret police but armchair revolutionaries think you are okay because people get free healthcare in your dictatorship is not the type of reality I wish to live in.

What democracy? Y'all're picking between far-right exploitation and sanctimonious right-wing exploitation. Is that even a choice?

[San Lumen]

If the case won't go anywhere don't even bother.

I literally just explained why.

Last I checked promising something while running and then not delivering isn't a crime. Why don't we pass a law saying you cannot say anything on the campaign trail unless you can guarantee or show proof it will happen? Oh wait that would violate the first amendment.

Then all fraud crimes are against the first amendment

It never ceases to amaze me your obsession with coups and dictatorships.

How the fuck do you get to dictatorship and coup from wanting to throw Congress in jail for fraudulent gaining voted because of things they said?

No they aren’t. Mail fraud or money fraud causes harm. Saying something you cannot absolutely promise will happen while running for office isn’t a crime. It’s called freedom of speech.

[American Legionaries]

If the common man gets free healthcare at the point of use and bread and circuses that's all their needs satisfied really. They're getting none of those things right now.

Free Healthcare under a dictatorship is just opium for the masses. You have nothing if you don’t have civil and political rights.

Political rights have no intrinsic value.

[Thermodolia]

If that was true the PRC would've been overthrown in a revolution three decades ago. Evidently they haven't been overthrown.

That’s because they have been forced to be subservient to the government.

And if the current government fills their needs and allows them to do fun things then they aren’t going to care what the government does

[The Jamesian Republic]

Panem et Circuses must be destroyed, it is time remove the CPC and neoliberalism.

Overthrowing democracy in the name of socialism and jailing/torturing/killing dissidents by secret police but armchair revolutionaries think you are okay because people get free healthcare in your dictatorship is not the type of reality I wish to live in.

What democracy? Y'all're picking between far-right exploitation and sanctimonious right-wing exploitation. Is that even a choice?

Yes. A terrible choice.
Which is why we must overthrow it and replace it with true democracy. Not this faux democracy the armchair revolutionaries here are drooling over.

[San Lumen]

What democracy? Y'all're picking between far-right exploitation and sanctimonious right-wing exploitation. Is that even a choice?

Yes. A terrible choice.
Which is why we must overthrow it and replace it with true democracy. Not this faux democracy the armchair revolutionaries here are drooling over.

Go start your revolution.

A faux democracy is Turkmenistan.