American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Kannap]

This is one of those terms people throw around and they don’t know what it means. What did Clinton, Bush Jr and Obama go that constitutes a war crime?

The civilian targets they bombed, obviously.

I answered the question extensively but Lumen ignored it, I guess. Never responded after accusing me of just casually throwing the term "war criminal" around.

[Thermodolia]

Its the same thing a lot of the defund crowd wants but saying it in a way that doesnt turn people off. You could include with it mandating body cameras, banning encryption of dispatch, having civilian review boards for example.

Banning encryption of dispatch - not sure what you mean by this one, but I imagine it wouldn't have an effect on the amount of money politicians are giving the police.

So currently all police, fire, and other emergency services communications are encrypted meaning you can’t just listen in on the police via a radio you also have to have a key.

What Lumen is saying is that it should be totally removed. I disagree because the reason they where put in place was because cops, firemen, ems, etc where all getting killed by people who wanted to do harm for whatever reason.

[San Lumen]

There is something called a primary. You can vote for people who are more in line with your views.

No it won’t. A primary doesn’t make the democrats magically socialist, no matter how hard the right screams that they are

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

[Kannap]

You are saying that they should cover it up. That's exactly what you're saying. You keep saying that people who want to defund the police should stop saying that they want to defund the police. That means they have to cover it up and trick people into thinking they don't want to defund the police.

You clearly don't understand the concept of messaging.

If an anti-abortion/anti-trans/anti-gay candidate omits those beliefs from their platform when they run, get elected because they omitted those bits, and then immediately start pushing for anti-abortion/anti-gay/anti-trans legislation that harms the constituents who voted for them, is that not lying?

[Kannap]

No it won’t. A primary doesn’t make the democrats magically socialist, no matter how hard the right screams that they are

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

Okay, so we voted for the socialist candidates we want in office and they didn't win. Your suggestion to "just vote for who you like" when I complain about how shitty our government or my leaders are is worthless, you realize this?

[San Lumen]

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

Okay, so we voted for the socialist candidates we want in office and they didn't win. Your suggestion to "just vote for who you like" when I complain about how shitty our government or my leaders are is worthless, you realize this?

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win.

[Thermodolia]

He won’t because that would mean ever president from Biden onwards could be prosecuted and they won’t do that

No it does not.

Yes it does. If trump is found guilty and locked up what’s to stop Bidens successor or Harris’s from doing the same to either of them? For anything? War crimes included.

This possibility is why trump will never be locked up. He will never face any jury nor will there be any sort of punishment

[Thermodolia]

Come to Arizona we got mountains, actual mountains not those east coast hills, and you could live in my district which is D+23

If I manage to move just a few miles south, I could be in a D+30 district. Been wanting to move to Charlotte for a little bit now. Rent is the hard part.

Ya rent sucks. I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it anymore

[San Lumen]

No it does not.

Yes it does. If trump is found guilty and locked up what’s to stop Bidens successor or Harris’s from doing the same to either of them? For anything? War crimes included.

This possibility is why trump will never be locked up. He will never face any jury nor will there be any sort of punishment

The President is therefore above the law? Why don't we establish the same rule for any elected official?

[Thermodolia]

No it won’t. A primary doesn’t make the democrats magically socialist, no matter how hard the right screams that they are

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

Revolution because electoralism is fucking stupid and plays into the capitalist system

[Kannap]

Banning encryption of dispatch - not sure what you mean by this one, but I imagine it wouldn't have an effect on the amount of money politicians are giving the police.

So currently all police, fire, and other emergency services communications are encrypted meaning you can’t just listen in on the police via a radio you also have to have a key.

What Lumen is saying is that it should be totally removed. I disagree because the reason they where put in place was because cops, firemen, ems, etc where all getting killed by people who wanted to do harm for whatever reason.

Ignoring that I have a lot of thoughts that saying would get me in trouble, you've managed to provide context that Lumen omitted. Thanks for providing a reason for me to at least understand why the encrypted radios were implemented.

Oh, btw, mentioned ya on the second to last page of TET this morning.

[Ifreann]

No it won’t. A primary doesn’t make the democrats magically socialist, no matter how hard the right screams that they are

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

Why do you even care who gets into power? You seem to think they should all be liars with secret goals unrelated to their campaigns.

[Thermodolia]

Yes it does. If trump is found guilty and locked up what’s to stop Bidens successor or Harris’s from doing the same to either of them? For anything? War crimes included.

This possibility is why trump will never be locked up. He will never face any jury nor will there be any sort of punishment

The President is therefore above the law? Why don't we establish the same rule for any elected official?

Unfortunately yes. Because every President that’s elected doesn’t want to go to jail for anything they did or didn’t do. Lying to the public can be considered fraudulent especially if you had no intention of ever delivering on that claim

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Okay, so we voted for the socialist candidates we want in office and they didn't win. Your suggestion to "just vote for who you like" when I complain about how shitty our government or my leaders are is worthless, you realize this?

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win.

Yes we already know that we get this allergic reaction from you anytime somebody wants to change this shitty neoliberal world order of ours that just caused a war in Ukraine.

[San Lumen]

Banning encryption of dispatch - not sure what you mean by this one, but I imagine it wouldn't have an effect on the amount of money politicians are giving the police.

So currently all police, fire, and other emergency services communications are encrypted meaning you can’t just listen in on the police via a radio you also have to have a key.

What Lumen is saying is that it should be totally removed. I disagree because the reason they where put in place was because cops, firemen, ems, etc where all getting killed by people who wanted to do harm for whatever reason.

They are only encrypted in some places and certain aspects of policing always are. In some states listening to a police scanner while committing a crime is an added charge.

[Kannap]

Okay, so we voted for the socialist candidates we want in office and they didn't win. Your suggestion to "just vote for who you like" when I complain about how shitty our government or my leaders are is worthless, you realize this?

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win.

Considering I literally just said that, I don't see how this reply is relevant to my post.

[San Lumen]

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win.

Yes we already know that we get this allergic reaction from you anytime somebody wants to change this shitty neoliberal world order of ours that just caused a war in Ukraine.

Ill take things I didn't say for 2000 please.

[Ifreann]

Yes it does. If trump is found guilty and locked up what’s to stop Bidens successor or Harris’s from doing the same to either of them? For anything? War crimes included.

This possibility is why trump will never be locked up. He will never face any jury nor will there be any sort of punishment

The President is therefore above the law? Why don't we establish the same rule for any elected official?

Why don't you support convicting all living presidents for the many civilians killed by American forces under their commands?

[San Lumen]

Then how do you expect people you want to get into power? wishing for it?

Why do you even care who gets into power? You seem to think they should all be liars with secret goals unrelated to their campaigns.

Never said that. What good does it do you saying buzzwords and things that sound good to your base and you lose the election?

The President is therefore above the law? Why don't we establish the same rule for any elected official?

Unfortunately yes. Because every President that’s elected doesn’t want to go to jail for anything they did or didn’t do. Lying to the public can be considered fraudulent especially if you had no intention of ever delivering on that claim

So the Fulton County Da should not even bother investigating the phone call? The AG of New York should drop her case?

You can't charge someone with a crime for saying something false or they had no intention of doing during a campaign. There is something called freedom of speech.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes we already know that we get this allergic reaction from you anytime somebody wants to change this shitty neoliberal world order of ours that just caused a war in Ukraine.

Ill take things I didn't say for 2000 please.

You don't need to say it it's blatantly clear from your behaviour.

[Kannap]

Yes it does. If trump is found guilty and locked up what’s to stop Bidens successor or Harris’s from doing the same to either of them? For anything? War crimes included.

This possibility is why trump will never be locked up. He will never face any jury nor will there be any sort of punishment

The President is therefore above the law? Why don't we establish the same rule for any elected official?

Yes, and not only our laws. The President is above international law, the Hague Invasion Act protects American military personnel and elected/appointed government officials from facing criminal prosecution by the International Criminal Court. The legislation allows for the use of "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court"

[Ifreann]

Why do you even care who gets into power? You seem to think they should all be liars with secret goals unrelated to their campaigns.

Never said that.

I know you didn't say it, but that's very clearly what you want.

What good does it do you saying buzzwords and things that sound good to your base and you lose the election?

What good does it do you getting liars into office who won't admit what they really want?

[Thermodolia]

Why do you even care who gets into power? You seem to think they should all be liars with secret goals unrelated to their campaigns.

Never said that. What good does it do you saying buzzwords and things that sound good to your base and you lose the election?

Unfortunately yes. Because every President that’s elected doesn’t want to go to jail for anything they did or didn’t do. Lying to the public can be considered fraudulent especially if you had no intention of ever delivering on that claim

So the Fulton County Da should not even bother investigating the phone call? The AG of New York should drop her case?

The Fulton County DA has bigger fish to fry than Trump. Especially given the fact she’s currently fighting the state of Georgia over the possibility of them taking over the Fulton County board of elections and the crime wave that’s hit Atlanta.

She’s not going to charge Trump before she gets voted out of office.

The NY case isn’t going to go anywhere either.

The cases will continue to be investigated because it’s good for votes but they will never see the inside of a court room

You can't charge someone with a crime for saying something false or they had no intention of doing during a campaign. There is something called freedom of speech.

Fraud isn’t free speech my dude. If you lie about your military service to gain benefits then you have committed fraud. How is that not any different than lying about what you are going to do in order to gain votes and get into office? That’s also fraud.

Face it you just don’t want to go to jail for committing fraud one day.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Sometimes your candidate doesn't win.

Yes we already know that we get this allergic reaction from you anytime somebody wants to change this shitty neoliberal world order of ours that just caused a war in Ukraine.

Well Ukraine could be because Putin had a wave of nostalgia and combined with the fact he is a genocidal maniac.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes we already know that we get this allergic reaction from you anytime somebody wants to change this shitty neoliberal world order of ours that just caused a war in Ukraine.

Well Ukraine could be because Putin had a wave of nostalgia and combined with the fact he is a genocidal maniac.

It wouldn't be our matter if the West didn't do this whole "trade will democratise shitholes" policy since the 80's. Now we're married to the hip to resources and money under the command of psychopath leaders who hate us all. Good job neoliberalism.