American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[American Legionaries]

I've got a rifle specifically created for kids too, but I think we can both agree that handing it out to a grade schooler with inadequate guidance or supervision would be bad.

A gun can cause actual physical harm. The comic is no worse than other books for children.

Verifiably false, I've never known a child to fear the family dog after reading The Pokey Little Puppy.

[San Lumen]

I wonder why he did that?

Its completely unfeasible for the DOJ to have to review every change for every state in the country. States and municipalities were able to come off the list.

I see no reason for section 5 to apply to Maine or Maryland.

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland?. Absolutely no reason?

That is their right to have closed primaries. That's not voter suppression. Does Maryland have gerrymandering? Absolutely but it hasn't been drawn to suppress minority votes.

[Neutraligon]

A gun can cause actual physical harm. The comic is no worse than other books for children.

Verifiably false, I've never known a child to fear the family dog after reading The Pokey Little Puppy.

Oh, is Maus being read by 5-year-olds. That is rather impressive comprehension.

[Thermodolia]

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland?. Absolutely no reason?

That is their right to have closed primaries. That's not voter suppression. Does Maryland have gerrymandering? Absolutely but it hasn't been drawn to suppress minority votes.

Nice to know that you are a hyperpartisan hypocrite who won’t admit they want a single party state

[American Legionaries]

Verifiably false, I've never known a child to fear the family dog after reading The Pokey Little Puppy.

Oh, is Maus being read by 5-year-olds. That is rather impressive comprehension.

I didn't say it was, but please, make up more bullshit about comprehension.

[San Lumen]

That is their right to have closed primaries. That's not voter suppression. Does Maryland have gerrymandering? Absolutely but it hasn't been drawn to suppress minority votes.

Nice to know that you are a hyperpartisan hypocrite who won’t admit they want a single party state

I never endorsed such a thing. Gerrymandering should be outlawed nationwide.

[Neutraligon]

Oh, is Maus being read by 5-year-olds. That is rather impressive comprehension.

I didn't say it was, but please, make up more bullshit about comprehension.

The book you mentioned is intended for K-3. Meaning at the highest it is intended for 8 year olds. So basically...that is what you where implying.

[Antipatros]

I wonder why he did that?

Its completely unfeasible for the DOJ to have to review every change for every state in the country. States and municipalities were able to come off the list.

I see no reason for section 5 to apply to Maine or Maryland.

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland? Absolutely no reason?

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

[San Lumen]

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland? Absolutely no reason?

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

what system do you propose?

[Novus America]

Nice to know that you are a hyperpartisan hypocrite who won’t admit they want a single party state

I never endorsed such a thing. Gerrymandering should be outlawed nationwide.

And so should partisan primaries.
But it should be consistent. That is the point. Everyone should have to follow the same rules, having one set of rules that only applies to certain states is unconstitutional and a bad idea.

[Cannot think of a name]

That book was specifically created for kids.

I've got a rifle specifically created for kids too, but I think we can both agree that handing it out to a grade schooler with inadequate guidance or supervision would be bad.

Oof. I've seen some shit arguments before but holy hell. You might need to walk that one off.

[Thermodolia]

Nice to know that you are a hyperpartisan hypocrite who won’t admit they want a single party state

I never endorsed such a thing. Gerrymandering should be outlawed nationwide.

Yet you are against the very the thing that would effectively make that happen. You are just afraid that republicans might win

[Thermodolia]

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland? Absolutely no reason?

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

Oh you’ll get no disagreement from me on that. I’ve long been supportive of single district PR systems or failing that MMP with IRV

[Antipatros]

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

what system do you propose?

Some kind of proportional representation system for the House. MMPR might be good.

It's never going to happen, but that's what I would do.

[Novus America]

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland? Absolutely no reason?

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

Well just because they set it up badly, does not mean it cannot be done better. Especially if it was deliberately set up to fail.

Districts can easily be drawn using mathematical formulas and other objective measures.

That solves the issue. Set out a clear set of objective rules.

[American Legionaries]

I didn't say it was, but please, make up more bullshit about comprehension.

The book you mentioned is intended for K-3. Meaning at the highest it is intended for 8 year olds. So basically...that is what you where implying.

It is a "book for children" and is, according to you, no worse than Maus. So what's your point?

[San Lumen]

I never endorsed such a thing. Gerrymandering should be outlawed nationwide.

And so should partisans primaries.
But it should be consistent. That is the point. Everyone should have to follow the same rules, having one set of rules that only applies to certain states is unconstitutional and a bad idea.

Why should someone whose not registered with a party get to chose the nominee of that party?

If you have a history like Alabama yes they should be different. New Jersey shouldn't have to be subject to the same treatment when they have no history of suppressing minority votes.

[Thermodolia]

A better solution would be to go to a voting system where there's not a big incentive for gerrymandering.

The current fixes seem like ineffective bandaid solutions. NY is a great example -- the system they set up to prevent gerrymandering has failed utterly.

Well just because they set it up badly, does not mean it cannot be done better. Especially if it was deliberately set up to fail.

Districts can easily be drawn using mathematical formulas and other objective measures.

Also independent commissions can work if they aren’t a convoluted mess like VA and NY. Arizona seems to get on fine with a five member commission. 2 Dems, 2 republicans, and 1 independent chair

[Neutraligon]

what system do you propose?

Some kind of proportional representation system for the House. MMPR might be good.

It's never going to happen, but that's what I would do.

For the House seems pretty easy. I see no reason why the house needs to represent states. Why not have it represent ideas instead. So basically some form of proportional voting across the nation, rather than state by state. Since it is 1 person 1 vote there is no need for gerrymandering at that level. Second, get rid of the electoral college. Doing that removes any incentive to gerrymander. The states can be represented somehow in the senate (can never figure out what system I want there).

[Neutraligon]

The book you mentioned is intended for K-3. Meaning at the highest it is intended for 8 year olds. So basically...that is what you where implying.

It is a "book for children" and is, according to you, no worse than Maus. So what's your point?

Ah so you think The giant Peach, a book for children is the same as hello moon, another book for children. Maus is a book for children, that does not mean it can be understood by young children. I read Maus when I was I think 12, or middle school and I know friends who read it in 6th grade, which can be either middle or elementary school. So yes, a book for children.

[San Lumen]

Some kind of proportional representation system for the House. MMPR might be good.

It's never going to happen, but that's what I would do.

For the House seems pretty easy. I see no reason why the house needs to represent states. Why not have it represent ideas instead. So basically some form of proportional voting across the nation, rather than state by state. Since it is 1 person 1 vote there is no need for gerrymandering at that level. Second, get rid of the electoral college. Doing that removes any incentive to gerrymander. The states can be represented somehow in the senate (can never figure out what system I want there).

That would likely require a constitutional amendment. And would mean you no longer have a representative from your area and would have to hope the party picks someone.

[Thermodolia]

And so should partisans primaries.
But it should be consistent. That is the point. Everyone should have to follow the same rules, having one set of rules that only applies to certain states is unconstitutional and a bad idea.

Why should someone whose not registered with a party get to chose the nominee of that party?

If you have a history like Alabama yes they should be different. New Jersey shouldn't have to be subject to the same treatment when they have no history of suppressing minority votes.

Congrats on your law being stuck down then. It’s clear you just want to sweep all the anti-Italian, anti-Irish, anti-everyone else except for WASPs that the north is known for while continuing to point the blame on the south while also ignoring the Midwest and PNW.

[San Lumen]

Why should someone whose not registered with a party get to chose the nominee of that party?

If you have a history like Alabama yes they should be different. New Jersey shouldn't have to be subject to the same treatment when they have no history of suppressing minority votes.

Congrats on your law being stuck down then. It’s clear you just want to sweep all the anti-Italian, anti-Irish, anti-everyone else except for WASPs that the north is known for while continuing to point the blame on the south while also ignoring the Midwest and PNW.

When was Irish or Italian vote suppressed?

[Neutraligon]

Why should someone whose not registered with a party get to chose the nominee of that party?

If you have a history like Alabama yes they should be different. New Jersey shouldn't have to be subject to the same treatment when they have no history of suppressing minority votes.

Congrats on your law being stuck down then. It’s clear you just want to sweep all the anti-Italian, anti-Irish, anti-everyone else except for WASPs that the north is known for while continuing to point the blame on the south while also ignoring the Midwest and PNW.

Is kinda interesting how Oregon is excluded from the list...considering the history of the place.

[Thermodolia]

Some kind of proportional representation system for the House. MMPR might be good.

It's never going to happen, but that's what I would do.

For the House seems pretty easy. I see no reason why the house needs to represent states. Why not have it represent ideas instead. So basically some form of proportional voting across the nation, rather than state by state. Since it is 1 person 1 vote there is no need for gerrymandering at that level. Second, get rid of the electoral college. Doing that removes any incentive to gerrymander. The states can be represented somehow in the senate (can never figure out what system I want there).

I think a single national district of 500 members in the house with 250 senators, each state gets 5 senators each elected by STV, would work well