American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[Thermodolia]

Well, it obviously was. However, the VRA has been butchered to the point that it's virtually useless (we can thank SCOTUS for that). I doubt the maps will be overturn. Even if they are, it will be impossible to get "fair maps" due to the make up of TX' Legislature.

You can thank Justice Roberts and his stupid reasoning of "Why isn't Massachusetts subject to the same scrutiny as Mississippi?" The answer is simple they don;t have a history of voter suppression.

But he’s right though, he just went about it the wrong way. Instead of killing the VRA he should have expanded it to cover all states.

[San Lumen]

You can thank Justice Roberts and his stupid reasoning of "Why isn't Massachusetts subject to the same scrutiny as Mississippi?" The answer is simple they don;t have a history of voter suppression.

But he’s right though, he just went about it the wrong way. Instead of killing the VRA he should have expanded it to cover all states.

How is he right? Massachusetts doesn't have a history like Alabama.

[Kerwa]

It does not follow that providing free education requires conscription. Societies have both rights and obligations, but the obligations don't necessarily have to be mandatory military service. The U.S. is hardly in a position of needing conscription to bolster its military numbers... the U.S. military as it stands is all-volunteer, and the most powerful in the world.

Note that we already have mandatory draft registration for all 18­–25-year-old males, but we haven't actually used it in almost fifty years.

No the obligation could be fulfilled by say being a part of a new Civilian Conservation Corps. Where you can learn a skill, get paid, see the US and serve your nation.

Or a medical corps or an environmental protection corps all in addition to military service

Two years living in and assisting in the inner cities if you want to go to college.

[Thermodolia]

Heres a state legislator in New Hampshire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Labranche

Survived stage 3 colon cancer as a ten year old, in America.

here's one from West Virginia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Holstein

In a Bachelor of Arts programme.

Here is the current speaker of the Maine House of Representatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fecteau

Oh hey look yet another guy who went to a super rich university.

This is a gish gallop btw.

Ryan Fecteau was also an executive at a top consulting firm before going into politics. Because that definitely means you aren’t rich as fuck

[Umeria]

To be honest I'm still kinda surprised Biden's approvals are so low. Its kinda disheartening. Even though I do actually agree there's been a lot of disappointments, but it feels more like a congress problem than a Biden problem.

I mean congress's approval rating is even lower

Its just bizarre to me how you can have record growth as a President and still have your approval absolutely tanked.

Most people simply aren't seeing that record growth in their own lives. "The economy is doing great" rings hollow if you still need to ration your insulin.

[Deblar]

But he’s right though, he just went about it the wrong way. Instead of killing the VRA he should have expanded it to cover all states.

How is he right? Massachusetts doesn't have a history like Alabama.

...I think he means that regardless the VRA needs to be applied nationwide to protect voting rights nationwide

[Eahland]

But he’s right though, he just went about it the wrong way. Instead of killing the VRA he should have expanded it to cover all states.

How is he right? Massachusetts doesn't have a history like Alabama.

And so? Just because they weren't traitors in 1860 doesn't mean they're not now. Anti-democratic behavior should be smacked down regardless of whether the state's done it before.

[San Lumen]

How is he right? Massachusetts doesn't have a history like Alabama.

...I think he means that regardless the VRA needs to be applied nationwide to protect voting rights nationwide

why? Massachusetts has not had any history of voter suppression. His reasoning was stupid.

[Celritannia]

Try understanding things a little more and I just might.

That's called a false premise.

Not really, since you think people can apprentice a surgeon, which is laughable

[Deblar]

...I think he means that regardless the VRA needs to be applied nationwide to protect voting rights nationwide

why? Massachusetts has not had any history voter suppression. His reasoning was stupid.

So you're against protecting voting rights nationwide now? Just because they haven't before doesn't mean it shouldn't apply to them.

[Thermodolia]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/591597-arizona-bill-would-allow-legislature-to-overturn-election-results

Arizona bill would allow legislature to overturn election result


An arch conservative member of Arizona’s state House of Representatives has proposed a mammoth overhaul of the state’s voting procedures that would allow legislators to overturn the results of a primary or general election after months of unfounded allegations and partisan audits.

The bill, introduced by state Rep. John Fillmore (R), would substantially change the way Arizonans vote by eliminating most early and absentee voting and requiring people to vote in their home precincts, rather than at vote centers set up around the state.

Most dramatically, Fillmore’s bill would require the legislature to hold a special session after an election to review election processes and results, and to “accept or reject the election results.”

First off it’s not going to go anywhere and second even if it does it would get tossed after the people of Arizona veto it

[San Lumen]

why? Massachusetts has not had any history voter suppression. His reasoning was stupid.

So you're against protecting voting rights nationwide now? Just because they haven't before doesn't mean it shouldn't apply to them.

Never said that. Only places that have a history of it should be subject to such scrutiny. Alabama sued because they didn't like that their voter suppression was constantly getting struck down by the DOJ and they constantly needed approval to do simple things.

Massachusetts has never in anyway suppressed votes like Alabama and never would therefore such scrutiny is completely pointless for them.

[American Legionaries]

To be fair, Maus has some pretty damned haunting imagery, the cartoon style softens it some, but that shit can mess with a kid.

It's an amazing book, but distributing it to pre-teens seems risky.

That book was specifically created for kids.

I've got a rifle specifically created for kids too, but I think we can both agree that handing it out to a grade schooler with inadequate guidance or supervision would be bad.

[Thermodolia]

But he’s right though, he just went about it the wrong way. Instead of killing the VRA he should have expanded it to cover all states.

How is he right? Massachusetts doesn't have a history like Alabama.

You really don’t think that Massachusetts doesn’t gerrymander it’s districts or that it was never racist as fuck? Hell there are more confederate flags in the northeast than there are in the south. Ya wanna know why? Because you are demonized for it in the south, but not the north

[Novus America]

Conscription?
Funny that many who love to stan the Nordic countries the hardest seem to not want a lot of what they have.

It does not follow that providing free education requires conscription. Societies have both rights and obligations, but the obligations don't necessarily have to be mandatory military service. The U.S. is hardly in a position of needing conscription to bolster its military numbers... the U.S. military as it stands is all-volunteer, and the most powerful in the world.

Note that we already have mandatory draft registration for all 18­–25-year-old males, but we haven't actually used it in almost fifty years.

An alternative civilian service option could and should be provided.
We would not want to conscript all available people into military service, we would have too many and some would lack the motivation or mentality to be good soldiers. The lottery based draft was a mistake.
Instead like the Nordics we should only conscript into the military the number needed, and select the best suited for military from those available.

The rest can fulfill some other need or obligation best suited for their skills and mentality.

True registration for Selective Service is an obligation we have, as well as that technically all able bodied males 17-45 are technically required to be ready to take up arms as part of the militia, they are not taken seriously, and as such the benefits received from them and the social contract required for society to function is not taken seriously.

Sweden as a better sense of obligations in part because those obligations are much more real.

[Thermodolia]

So you're against protecting voting rights nationwide now? Just because they haven't before doesn't mean it shouldn't apply to them.

Never said that. Only places that have a history of it should be subject to such scrutiny. Alabama sued because they didn't like that their voter suppression was constantly getting struck down by the DOJ and they constantly needed approval to do simple things.

Massachusetts has never in anyway suppressed votes like Alabama and never would therefore such scrutiny is completely pointless for them.

And because it didn’t cover the entire nation it got struck down as unconstitutional. You can’t have a law that only covers half the states. Especially when Idaho and the rest of the PNW is far far more racist than the entire south.

Either you apply the VRA to the entire nation or you apply it at all. Unfortunately he went with don’t apply it at all.

[Deblar]

So you're against protecting voting rights nationwide now? Just because they haven't before doesn't mean it shouldn't apply to them.

Never said that. Only places that have a history of it should be subject to such scrutiny. Alabama sued because they didn't like that their voter suppression was constantly getting struck down by the DOJ and they constantly needed approval to do simple things.

Massachusetts has never in anyway suppressed votes like Alabama and never would therefore such scrutiny is completely pointless for them.

By this logic, the 13th Amendment should only apply to states where slavery was prevalent

[San Lumen]

Never said that. Only places that have a history of it should be subject to such scrutiny. Alabama sued because they didn't like that their voter suppression was constantly getting struck down by the DOJ and they constantly needed approval to do simple things.

Massachusetts has never in anyway suppressed votes like Alabama and never would therefore such scrutiny is completely pointless for them.

And because it didn’t cover the entire nation it got struck down as unconstitutional. You can’t have a law that only covers half the states. Especially when Idaho and the rest of the PNW is far far more racist than the entire south.

Either you apply the VRA to the entire nation or you apply it at all. Unfortunately he went with don’t apply it at all.

I wonder why he did that?

Its completely unfeasible for the DOJ to have to review every change for every state in the country. States and municipalities were able to come off the list.

I see no reason for section 5 to apply to Maine or Maryland.

[Thermodolia]

So you're against protecting voting rights nationwide now? Just because they haven't before doesn't mean it shouldn't apply to them.

Massachusetts has never in anyway suppressed votes like Alabama and never would therefore such scrutiny is completely pointless for them.

You wanna bet? Because I’ll win that bet

[Neutraligon]

That book was specifically created for kids.

I've got a rifle specifically created for kids too, but I think we can both agree that handing it out to a grade schooler with inadequate guidance or supervision would be bad.

A gun can cause actual physical harm. The comic is no worse than other books for children.

[Neutraligon]

And because it didn’t cover the entire nation it got struck down as unconstitutional. You can’t have a law that only covers half the states. Especially when Idaho and the rest of the PNW is far far more racist than the entire south.

Either you apply the VRA to the entire nation or you apply it at all. Unfortunately he went with don’t apply it at all.

I wonder why he did that?

Its completely unfeasible for the DOJ to have to review every change for every state in the country. States and municipalities were able to come off the list.

I see no reason for section 5 to apply to Maine or Maryland.

Why is it unfeasible for the DOJ to review the changes?

[Forsher]

Excellent. Democrats can't take the high road when it comes to redistricting. The state senate map is going to be brutal for Republicans as well. The current two thirds majority was won on a Republican gerrymander.

I'm honestly surprised NY could potentially get away with this even though they supposedly have an independent redistricting committee.

Sometimes people just don't live in the right places. For example, based on party votes in 2020, 22 out of 23 electorates in Auckland (including the one that's partly in the Waikato) voted for Labour. That'd be equivalent of a 25-1 map... or 24-2 depending on rounding. There is (a) very minimal value to gerrymandering in NZ because of MMP and (b) what you'd probably understand as an independent redistricting committee behind the boundary decisions.

(By electorate vote, Auckland is way more balanced... 10 National/ACT seats, 1 Greens and 12 Labour.)

I would be considered by the odd shapes of the 21 and 23 districts, though.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-parke ... on-parker/

Andy Parker, father of reporter killed during live TV broadcast, to run for Congress

[Thermodolia]

And because it didn’t cover the entire nation it got struck down as unconstitutional. You can’t have a law that only covers half the states. Especially when Idaho and the rest of the PNW is far far more racist than the entire south.

Either you apply the VRA to the entire nation or you apply it at all. Unfortunately he went with don’t apply it at all.

I wonder why he did that?

Its completely unfeasible for the DOJ to have to review every change for every state in the country. States and municipalities were able to come off the list.

I see no reason for section 5 to apply to Maine or Maryland.

You don’t see any reason why section 5 should apply to Maryland? Absolutely no reason?

[Umeria]

That book was specifically created for kids.

I've got a rifle specifically created for kids too, but I think we can both agree that handing it out to a grade schooler with inadequate guidance or supervision would be bad.

When a book is read in a school setting, it's almost never just read directly. Usually they have the students focus on specific sections to take notes on. When my history class read Maus we skipped several sections of it.